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How, show Trailing Zero for inch with "feet & inch" format?

Shaun Jalbert Jun 16, 2015 3:38 PM

I've attached an image for clarification...

Both my drawing and my model units are set to Custom (Where the Length unit = "feet & inches"). My dimensions show correctly (include the trailing zero for inches as 1'-0"), but when I bring in a note and link to a Cut List Length, the formatting doesn't keep the -0" afterward (instead it populates as 1').

How do I fix this? Our engineering group is adamant that the -0" must be included.

Thanks,

Shaun

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Re: How, show Trailing Zero for inch with "feet & inch" format?

Shaun Jalbert Jun 17, 2015 11:05 AM (in response to Shaun Jalbert)

I've played with this issue some more and it seems that my issue is caused when the document units use a fractional vs decimal value.

If I set my units to fractional as below...

I get this, 1' instead of the expected 1'-0"

But, if I set my units to decimal as below...

I get this, the expected format 1'-0.000"

Is this a known issue in SolidWorks? I can't seem to find any supporting info on Google about it.
By the way, I'm using SW 2014 - we're upgrading to 2015 next week, maybe. Can anyone else running 2015 verify if this is still an issue?

Thanks,
Shaun
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  Delbert Faden Jun 17, 2015 11:18 AM (in response to Shaun Jalbert)
  
  try on the button that says more and tell to convert
  
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    Shaun Jalbert Jun 17, 2015 11:36 AM (in response to Delbert Faden)
    
    Hi Delbert:
    I tried enabling and disabling all options in the "more ..." area and the problem persists.
    Any other idea's?
    
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      Delbert Faden Jun 17, 2015 11:41 AM (in response to Shaun Jalbert)
      
      you have fraction set to what you want plus telling it to convert say from 2' 1 1/4 2'-1 1/4 because I just did a test with it and it works maybe when you upgrade to 2015 it will work for you because that is what I am using now
      
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        Shaun Jalbert Jun 17, 2015 11:48 AM (in response to Delbert Faden)
        
        That's reassuring. Thanks for checking for me!
        
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        Shaun Jalbert Jun 30, 2015 9:18 AM (in response to Shaun Jalbert)
        
        Hi Delbert:
        
        We installed SW 2015 last week, so I tested the problem today, and it still exists. My units should show 1'-0" and not just 1'
        Can you compare and tell me what your units are set to?
        
        This is what my units are set to:
        
        This is what it outputs:
        
        Thanks,
        Shaun
        
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        Delbert Faden Jun 30, 2015 9:48 AM (in response to Shaun Jalbert)
        
        that all looks right how does it show up on your drawings and when you dimension the part that is how I have them set and it shows up like 1"-0 on the prints
        
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        Shaun Jalbert Jun 30, 2015 9:58 AM (in response to Delbert Faden)
        
        Delbert,
        If I dimension the part, the dimensions look right, but in my BOM, the dimensions are formatted the same as the model (ie. 1' and not 1'-0").
        Also, we don't always fully dimension our parts, and use a "stocksize" note that links to the cut list properties, hence again shows as 1' and not 1'-0".
        
        If I change the model units to decimal, I then see 1'-0.000", but switching back it again shows just 1' and not 1'-0" as I require. Any idea's?
        
        Shaun
        
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        Delbert Faden Jun 30, 2015 10:23 AM (in response to Shaun Jalbert)
        
        that looks like it is in the custom properties you may need to look and see how that is formatted to read the dimensions
        
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        Shaun Jalbert Jul 1, 2015 8:12 AM (in response to Delbert Faden)
        
        Delbert:
        That's what I mean. The Models Custom Properties are formatted as per the "Document Properties/Units" format options.
        If I choose decimal instead of fractional, then it formats as 1'-0.000"
        but if I choose fractional instead, then it formats to 1' when it should format to 1'-0"
        
        Or, is this one of those ASME Y14.5 standards?
        
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        Delbert Faden Jul 1, 2015 9:35 AM (in response to Shaun Jalbert)
        
        I use ansi standard so it could be a possibility. your parts and assemblies all have the same unit formats. I did a test on it and was able to make it show correctly when creating a bom for a simple part. and we had a user group meeting last night and I brought up the problem and we did a test with it and it worked just like you wanted when we made sure that the part and drawing and assembly were all set to the same unit formate.
        
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        Delbert Faden Jul 1, 2015 9:38 AM (in response to Shaun Jalbert)
        
        how do you import the information into the custom properties I see it says 3d bounding box
        
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        Shaun Jalbert Jul 1, 2015 9:56 AM (in response to Delbert Faden)
        
        We bring in the cut list properties with a custom macro. Ultimately, the macro runs through several routines, but it's primary function is to:
        1) Rename Cut List Folders
        2) Create the bounding for all Cut List Items
        3) Create Custom Properties ( like: for Grade, Type, StockSize, Description, etc) for Library Weldment Items (such as C-Channels, HSS, etc...)
        4) Identify extruded bodies as plates and Create Custom Properties ( like: for Grade, Type, StockSize, Description, etc)
        
        So yes, some members derive their dimensions from the bounding box. I've attached a copy of the macro if you're interested in it's internal functions.
        
        But if you notice in any of my screenshots above, the "StockSize" property is what we use for automated notes. We drag a note from out library, attach it to the member (in this case we noticed it on a 12"x12" plate) and expected to see PL3/4"x1'-0" and instead we see PL3/4"x1'
        It doesn't seem like a big deal, I know, but some people are getting pretty excited about it around here because it doesn't suit our standards.
        
        CutList_Rename.swp.zip 18.0 KB
        
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        Shaun Jalbert Jul 2, 2015 11:56 AM (in response to Delbert Faden)
        
        Delbert Faden:
        Any chance that you can post a screen shot showing what you and your user group were able to test the other night.
        It's not that I don't believe you, I just want to verify that we're seeing the same thing. I tried making the units match between model and drawing and, well here's a screenshot of my Cut List BOM.
        
        Specifically, notice item 5... the length should read 1'-0" and not 1'
        
        Anyway, get back to me when you can.
        
        Thanks,
        Shaun
        
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        Delbert Faden Jul 2, 2015 11:59 AM (in response to Shaun Jalbert)
        
        we getting the information straight from the part dimension and not using a bounding box I think maybe your macro may need to be tweaked a little to get it to read the dimensions the way they are showing
        
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        Shaun Jalbert Jul 2, 2015 3:08 PM (in response to Delbert Faden)
        
        Delbert Faden:
        
        Can you please provide a sample of how your cut list showed the length as 1'-0" and not just 1'?
        
        I thought about what you said and decided to try developing my cut list "the old fashioned way" and didn't use our macro. These are the steps I followed:
        1) Deleted the existing Cut List
        2) Updated the Cut List
        3) Created the Bounding Box
        4) Observed the Cut List Properties
        
        If I'm understanding you correctly, then this approach should yield me the same results that you and your user group had done.
        
        Upon Checking my Cut List Properties in both the Model and Drawing - I'm noticing that the units are still showing incorrectly. See my screen dumps below.
        
        In the screen shot above, we're looking at cut list item 5, and notice the description is populated by SolidWorks as PLATE, 3/4"x1'x1' and not PLATE, 3/4"x1'-0"x1'-0" as you noticed with your user group (if I'm understanding that correctly). These properties are then fed into the Cut List BOM (where the drawing units match the models units) and still the same issue.
        
        Can you please provide a sample of how your cut list showed the length as 1'-0" and not just 1'?
        
        Kindest Regards,
        Shaun
        
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        David Nelson Nov 21, 2018 4:04 PM (in response to Shaun Jalbert)
        
        Shaun Jalbert wrote:
        
        Delbert:
        That's what I mean. The Models Custom Properties are formatted as per the "Document Properties/Units" format options.
        If I choose decimal instead of fractional, then it formats as 1'-0.000"
        but if I choose fractional instead, then it formats to 1' when it should format to 1'-0"
        
        Or, is this one of those ASME Y14.5 standards?
        Yes I believe it is. ASME Y14.5.
        
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Marc-Xavier Bilodeau Jun 17, 2015 12:49 PM (in response to Shaun Jalbert)

Maybe that?

Documents properties - Annotations - Trailing zeroes
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  Shaun Jalbert Jun 17, 2015 12:56 PM (in response to Marc-Xavier Bilodeau)
  
  Marcx B,
  I thought that too, so I set all of them to "show", but it still didn't fix the issue. Based on Delberts comments, it sounds like its an issue that has been resolved in SW 2015. I'll test it again next week after we install and check back if it's still an issue.
  
  Thanks,
  Shaun
  
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    Jeremy Bulgin Nov 21, 2018 1:50 PM (in response to Shaun Jalbert)
    
    Shaun Jalbert,
    Did you ever get this resolved? I'm running SW 2018 sp4.0 and getting the same issue (3.5 +/- years later).
    
    I've reached out to my VAR and got he same result running SW versions 2017, 2018 and 2019. The VAR has a "more that a few customers reporting" the same issue. My VAR has put in a request to SolidWorks for their official answer/solution/work-around.
    
    I need a something, because i use weldments and this dropping the zero off ft & in fractions business is hosing me.. Any ideas you can share?
    
    Thanks,
    Jeremy
    
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      Shaun Jalbert Nov 21, 2018 2:02 PM (in response to Jeremy Bulgin)
      
      Sorry Jeremy, never got that resolved.
      Just tried again (we're using SW2017) and still no go.
      
      Shaun
      
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        Jeremy Bulgin Nov 21, 2018 2:21 PM (in response to Shaun Jalbert)
        
        Shaun,
        What did you guys end up doing? Did you use decimal ft & in (eg.1'-0.0625"), or just excepted the zero being dropped (eq. 1'- 1/16")?
        
        The problem for me is our shop and field guys/gals are pushing hard and can in a moment misread 12'- 11/16" as 12'-1 1/16", or worse yet misread 1' for 1".. Hence the need to be clear and concise.
        
        I'm grasping for anything I can get that this point, and I will be making a Service Request to fix this.
        
        Thank you sir,
        Jeremy
        
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        Jeremy Bulgin Nov 21, 2018 3:25 PM (in response to Jeremy Bulgin)
        
        This is a work-around that I can use... but I don't like it one bit.
        You can link a dimension to the length field in a Standard BOM (field will not break in a Cut List BOM). Side note: you can insert a column in the standard BOM and there are options to link to CUT LIST PROPERTIES and LENGTH.
        
        I suggest marking/flagging the cell text and linked dimension in a different color as a visual reminder.
        
        Maybe this will help someone out there until this gets fixed properly.
        
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        Shaun Jalbert Nov 21, 2018 4:02 PM (in response to Jeremy Bulgin)
        
        We only design for general intent, so our need for this wasn't a necessity. In the end, we just abandoned the idea of using cut-lists and dimension directly on the drawing. Glad you found a workaround, though.
        
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    Jeremy Bulgin Nov 28, 2018 4:52 PM (in response to Shaun Jalbert)
    
    See below for reply from Solidworks.
    Thanks for contacting SOLIDWORKS Technical support, I have received your SR and reviewed the information provided. Please accept my apologize for delayed response.
    
    Yes, I confirm that it is a software issue . The dimension has the leading zero (in model) but the Weldment table or cut list does not show the leading zero. This issue is not a regression issue, it did not used to show the leading zero in older versions.
    
    This behavior has been reported by an SPR. I have attached the SPR #721114 with summary of "Include leading zero for values less than 1 does not add a zero (0) to a inch value for length of a Weldment cut list item when using feet & inches" to this SR. You and the customer will be notified by email when this issue has been resolved.
    
    There is no workaround reported for this issue. I also could not figure out some way to make it work for cut list. Please let me know if you have any further questions. Thank you.
    
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