tkae a look at porous medium or heat sink simulation
I am working on a similar problem with an arrangement of folded fin heat sinks. I was wondering if you were able to solve your problem using porous medium, or the heat sink simulation feature. The heat sink feature did no seem to fit what I am trying to do. I have been looking at the porous medium with heat conductivity enabled. I am trying to figure out how to define the specific heat, thermal conductivity, and the matrix and heat exchange definition. Any thing you could share on your results would be helpful.
Yes - using porous medium to represent a sink is a mission and not useful or practical.
For the model use use Initial Mesh of #2 or #3. This is to keep the number of cells from going in the millions.
Use local mesh around the sink and components where heat is applied as follows:
For the local mesh around sinks un-tick Automatic Settings and set:
- Solid Fluid / Small Solid #2
- Refining Calls / tick Refine all cell / #3
- Narrow Channel / Characteristic across 3, NC Refinement #3, Enable Max Height and enter your sink height
For the local mesh around other components:
- Automatic Settings / tick narrow channel / set refinement high like #6 to #9
When solving just solve for the mesh and check the number of cells. If the number of cells is too high - lower the refinement settings.
If you find improvement please let me know.
After looking at the porous medium idea yesterday I also came to the same conclusion. Thanks for the input on mesh settings. That is the other area I have be delving in to and definitely seems to have the most promise. I will let you know if I find anything to add.
Why is porous not possible?
Setup a heat sink.
Setup some simulations to determine the heat sink inputs.
Plug info into porous.
Use the info everytime you use that heat sink.
Check blog.hawkridgesys.com where we went part of the way with the flow part.
If you are using a fan porous may be used - but it has a limitation.
- You have to know how much power is going to the fins (porous). If no other thermal path is present this is fine - but of multiple thermal paths are considered how do you know how much power is going each way?
- Porous can not be used with natural convection.
- Radiation (emissive / solar) can not be entered - with large heat-sinks emissivity should always be considered.
- You have to know the flow resistance of the sink - which you will not know that is why you bought CFD to figure that out.
- No consideration is given for by-pass air flow.
- ** And the killer - you have to know the thermal resistance of the sink - typically that is what you are trying to confirm or determine.
If you have all that information a $2 calculator will give you the answer.
Or am I off base?
Message was edited by: Mark Keown
Message was edited by: Mark Keown
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You do not need to be using a fan.
You do not need to know how much power is going where.
It does work with natural convection.
I believe you are right on radiation - they are fluid cells so no surfaces to apply the emmissivity to.
Flow resistance of the sink you calculate using flow sim - sub scale model required.
Thermal resistance you calculate using flow sim - sub scale model.
The general method for use in system level work is attached.
Can post a direct link to the blog post you are referring to, or even just the title? I searched through the blog site but could not fine one relating to porous medium or heat sinks.
I have been using the porous medium to simulate heat sinks for purely air flow studies. I have run flow models of a single heat sink at various airflow rates to determine the values to use for the equivalent porous medium. This has worked farily well. Now I am trying to figure out how to use the heat conductivity settings, but have been coming to some of the same conclusions that Mark mentioned.
There is no magic button to make the conversion and it isn't as easy as the flow porosity. Also it will not be exact because of some of the things that mark mentions but it will be pretty close. Start with something reasonable that has a known solution and try it.
I think one thing mark is saying above is that you can use a heat sink simulation if you have a fan. For a heat sink only you have to develop the conversion.
Thanks for the link. I glanced at this one, but it did not click that using the new Parametric Studies capabilities could be used in determining the thermal parameters for a porous medium. I will have to take a look at that functionality. In the past I have manually run parametric studies by just cloning the study multiple times then batch running them. This new feature sounds like it would be in improvement on that.
I also agree that trying this on a smaller scale model, with a known solution is the way to start.