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Weldment Assembly Feature

Question asked by Sean Nutley on Feb 13, 2013
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Hello,

Is there a way to create a feature (in this case a set of holes using Hole Wizard) that is done at the "assembled" level of a weldment. My example is that I've got two "legs" on one side of my design that are wide flanges and show up as one item in the cut list. I want to drill a few holes in one of the legs but keep it as a common item to the other one. I know I could create an assembly and do the hole feature there but that wouldn't work with the drawing I'm creating. These two legs are one item before the hole feature and I just need a way to combine them again even though one of them has holes in it.

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Roy Potter Feb 14, 2013 8:00 AM

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Is this where as-machined and as-welded configurations apply?

The as-machined configuration has the holes un-supressed and the as-welded has the holes suppressed.

The as-welded configuration is the one used in the cutlist and will group all the like members.

Roy.

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Glenn Schroeder Feb 13, 2013 5:00 PM

Sean,

Off the top of my head the best I can think of would be to create a second configuration of your weldment in which the holes are suppressed. Insert a cut list in your drawing with this configuration selected. You could then insert a drawing view of the configuration with the holes, but I doubt that balloons would be parametric. I think that would work. I prefer to test advice that I'm not sure about before posting, but I'm at home now and don't have SW here. I can't think of any other way to do what you want but someone else might.

Good luck,

Glenn

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Sean Nutley @ Glenn Schroeder on Feb 13, 2013 5:22 PM

You're right, I guess that could work but the balloons wouldn't be parametric like you said.

It's not the end of the world if these two items are different it's just that when all of the steel is ordered they're going to be ordering the same exact item twice instead of once. This could happen many times on my list and just creates more work.

THanks for the input though.

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John Burrill Feb 13, 2013 5:07 PM

Sean, have you considered adding the holes at the assembly level?

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Sean Nutley @ John Burrill on Feb 13, 2013 5:24 PM

I have thought about that but the fabricator is going to be the one doing the drilling of these holes and it would either require me to give him another set of drawings now or place another view on this drawing that isn't really associated with the other views or the cut list.

If it comes down to "it can't be done" it's ok and I'll just have to live with multiple items which are actually the same. Just thought there might be an option I'm not seeing.

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Paul Fey Feb 13, 2013 5:39 PM

A different way than configurations it may be to make the weldment part without the assembly level features. Insert the part into a new assembly. Then add the assembly features in the assembly (insert>assembly feature>hole with the propagate feature to parts option not checked).

This should give you a parametric BOM (with detailed cut list option checked) with the items combined. I'm not sure what it would do to the rest of your workflow though.

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Roy Potter Feb 14, 2013 8:00 AM

Is this where as-machined and as-welded configurations apply?

The as-machined configuration has the holes un-supressed and the as-welded has the holes suppressed.

The as-welded configuration is the one used in the cutlist and will group all the like members.

Roy.

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Sean Nutley @ Roy Potter on Feb 14, 2013 11:30 AM

I see. I don't know why this wasn't obvious to me. Makes sense completely. Thank you!

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John Seyler Feb 14, 2013 8:08 AM

Roy, you would be correct.

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Patrick O'Hern Feb 14, 2013 8:35 AM

You could turn off Automatic Updating of the Cutlist, then manually put them in the same item folder.

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Glenn Schroeder Feb 13, 2013 5:00 PM
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Sean,

Off the top of my head the best I can think of would be to create a second configuration of your weldment in which the holes are suppressed. Insert a cut list in your drawing with this configuration selected. You could then insert a drawing view of the configuration with the holes, but I doubt that balloons would be parametric. I think that would work. I prefer to test advice that I'm not sure about before posting, but I'm at home now and don't have SW here. I can't think of any other way to do what you want but someone else might.

Good luck,
Glenn
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- Sean Nutley @ Glenn Schroeder on Feb 13, 2013 5:22 PM
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  You're right, I guess that could work but the balloons wouldn't be parametric like you said.
  
  It's not the end of the world if these two items are different it's just that when all of the steel is ordered they're going to be ordering the same exact item twice instead of once. This could happen many times on my list and just creates more work.
  
  THanks for the input though.
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John Burrill Feb 13, 2013 5:07 PM
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Sean, have you considered adding the holes at the assembly level?
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- Sean Nutley @ John Burrill on Feb 13, 2013 5:24 PM
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  I have thought about that but the fabricator is going to be the one doing the drilling of these holes and it would either require me to give him another set of drawings now or place another view on this drawing that isn't really associated with the other views or the cut list.
  
  If it comes down to "it can't be done" it's ok and I'll just have to live with multiple items which are actually the same. Just thought there might be an option I'm not seeing.
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Paul Fey Feb 13, 2013 5:39 PM
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A different way than configurations it may be to make the weldment part without the assembly level features. Insert the part into a new assembly. Then add the assembly features in the assembly (insert>assembly feature>hole with the propagate feature to parts option not checked).

This should give you a parametric BOM (with detailed cut list option checked) with the items combined. I'm not sure what it would do to the rest of your workflow though.
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Roy Potter Feb 14, 2013 8:00 AM
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Is this where as-machined and as-welded configurations apply?
The as-machined configuration has the holes un-supressed and the as-welded has the holes suppressed.
The as-welded configuration is the one used in the cutlist and will group all the like members.

Roy.
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- Sean Nutley @ Roy Potter on Feb 14, 2013 11:30 AM
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  I see. I don't know why this wasn't obvious to me. Makes sense completely. Thank you!
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John Seyler Feb 14, 2013 8:08 AM
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Roy, you would be correct.
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Patrick O'Hern Feb 14, 2013 8:35 AM
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You could turn off Automatic Updating of the Cutlist, then manually put them in the same item folder.
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