6 Replies Latest reply on Oct 15, 2012 3:35 AM by John Sutherland

    Design Library or similar

    John Sutherland

      I want to store samples of reusable bodies then, for specific jobs, insert/drag a selection of samples into one document, adjust their dimensions, and mate them.

       

      I find that if I insert them into a part document as Derived, then their dimensions cannot be changed.

      Breaking links causes a rebuild error, perhaps because the sketch data (a block) is lost.

      The choice of draging them from Design Library as Not Derived, opens a single body document.

       

      I can insert them into an assembly document, but the changes are propagated back to the source.

      Help for Design Library says, effectively, suck it up!

       

      SW says Document Templates cannot be inserted into other documents.

       

       

      How can I achieve what I want?

          • Re: Design Library or similar
            Seth Ruhan

            As Kelvin Said,

            Libary Features are the way to go, Either to add bodys & features or cuts.

            You setup configurations of "Standard" items and stuff, however you create custom items as well. As long as you capture those dimensions you want.

            Attached is example of a Stud. I can choose the location, Weld depth & Length. However I blocked the ability to change the Stud Diameter & Hole diameter.

             

            This can only be done at the part level.

             

            designpart.JPG

          • Re: Design Library or similar
            John Burrill

            John,. you're going to have to clarify what you mean by samples, bodies and document.

            It sounds like you're wondering if it's possible for you to make a set of features into a part, insert that part into the assembly and then be able to modify it without affecting the original.

            If that's the case then there are two ways that I can think of for you to go about it.

            1) make a template.  No you can't insert a template into a new assembly, but you can insert a new part created from a template into an assembly.  The part will-by default-come in as a virtual component and will be saved within the assembly until you tell SW to save it as an external file and the template file that you used to create the part will be unaffected. Change the dimensions, modify it, knock yourself out.  New parts are placed either on a planar face of your choosing or at the assembly origin.  However, all of you have to do in order to mate one of your new parts is either change the status from fixed to float or delete the inplace mate (which is there for top-down modeling)  Then you can position and mate your new part the same as any other.

            2) make your sample part as a regular part.  Insert it into an assembly.  Mate it as desired.  then, right-click on the par tin the feature tree and select 'make virtual' from the context menu. 

            If that's no helpful, then tell us a little more about what you're trying to do.

            John

              • Re: Design Library or similar
                John Sutherland

                John,

                 

                Looking at method 2; I inserted 2 parts into an assembly, mated them, halved the length of the UB part, dragged and dropped the same UB part from the Design Library, right clicked the first UB part in the FT and the context menu displayed.

                 

                I observed that:-

                     1     The copy dragged from the Design Library is the half length (instant propagation back to the library).

                     2     I cannot see "make virtual" in the context menu.  Help found no match for the string "make virtual".

                 

                MakeVirtual.png

                 

                Method 1 will result in a template document for each part in the assembly, plus a part document for each part in the assembly, plus the assembly document.

                 

                I was hoping for something less clumsy.

                 

                Whoops, I realise now that I need a document for each part so that they can be fabricated to different dimensions for each job.

                 

                Message was edited by: John Sutherland

                  • Re: Design Library or similar
                    John Burrill

                    John, I didn't realize you were using 2009.  The ability to make an existing part a virtual part was introduced in 2010 or 2011.  so method 2 is not going to work.

                    Method 1 will not require a different template for each part, because when you create the part using a template, you can modify it without affecting any other parts created from that template.  If your screen capture is any indication, you're working with steel shapes.  You would only need a template for each steel profile.  Since the parts are virtual and are saved in the assembly, there isn't really any file management to speak of.

                    But now that I have a better idea of what you're doing, why don't you just create your frame as a weldment?

                      • Re: Design Library or similar
                        John Sutherland

                        Thanks John,

                         

                        I see Weldments as pipe routing rebadged for structural tubes.  If I get a tube job I will look again at it.

                         

                        It seems that the best workflow will be Part Templates>Parts>Welded sub assemblies>Bolted general assemblies.

                         

                        The shop likes a drawing of each part to keep it simple for the tradesmen, then a drawing of each weldment.

                         

                        Given that each weld results in a part file, a folder for each weldment will keep the many files together.