3 Replies Latest reply on Mar 22, 2012 1:32 PM by Shawn Kelly

    Do you manage your Toolbox in EPDM?

    Keren Dotan

      Hello All,

       

      Do any of you manage Toolbox in EPDM?

      Are you satisfied with that? Do you face any problems? What are the pros/cons?

       

      We have customers that are implementing EPDM and not yet using Toolbox at all, they need to make a desicion on how to work with Toolbox - and as you know, this desicion will be hard to change later on...

       

      My team and I thought of 2 working methods:

      1) Manage Toolbox completely in EPDM (assuming all of the engineers have SW Professional).The user inserts fasteners to the assy directly from Toolbox in the task pane.

      2) One/more user(s) are generating fasteners using Toolbox (which is installed localy), and saving them to the vault as regular part (in special folder and workflow, of course). The users inserts fasteners to the assy using "insert component" and/or by using EPDM search.

       

      Method 1 can be considered to be more "friendly" to the user - they simply use Toolbox (EPDM is "transparent"). The parts are created on the fly, within the assembly.

       

      On the other hand, here are some points that are pro method 2 (and againt method1):

      1. In method 2 - user can use data cards to enter properties (input formula etc...)

      2. In method 2 - user can use data cards to perform smart search (followed by inserting the part to the assy), and use search favorites

      3. In method 2 - company has more control over the fasteners that are created (their amount, their properties)

      4. In method 2 - not all engineers have to have Professional license - only the ones that are generating the parts.

      5. For assys that contain customized Toolbox parts - method 1 is suffering from SPR 602855 - the wrong parts are opened. (Hopefully, this should be fixed in 2012 SP3).

       

      I was hoping to hear from your experience - what is your working method?

      What would you recommend to a new customer?

       

      Thanks in advanced,

      Keren

        • Re: Do you manage your Toolbox in EPDM?
          Shawn Kelly

          I have personally seen people do it many ways and the two you mention both have values and difficulties.

           

          Option 1: Requires a fair amount toolbox configuration if you really need to have some variable data driven into the datacards or people monitoring them if so required.  However, it does allow for ease of standard toolbox definitions and deployments across sites if replication is a consideration.  The three options that toolbox configuration gives you also would potentially allow you to do both 1 manage in the vault, but yet allow custom creates.(See your administration  guide)

           

          Create Configurations: A configuration is added when you use a new fastener size.

          Create Parts:  A part file is created when you use a new fastener size.

          Create Parts on Ctrl-Drag: A part file is create when you CTRL+drag a fastener from the Toolbox

           

          Option 2:  Works well for some and especially when they don't need to share data for projects and they don't need to worry about duplication.  It is also a good point if all users don't have the licensing to support it...

           

          Personally, I have a larger group of people with common product line designs and not project based so having a singular toolbox with configuations and all managed in the vault has worked well for us.  We replicate to other sites and find it very convient that when a person needs to use it they aren't doing something that the other users won't have at their disposal.

            • Re: Do you manage your Toolbox in EPDM?
              Keren Dotan

              Shawn,

              Thanks for your input

              I'm curious... How do you deal with SPR 602855? Don't you have customized toolbox parts?

              Do you have a special user that puts in all the properties in advanced (using Toolbox->Configure)? Or are the users filling in the properties as the new configuration is created?

              Do you work with "create parts" or "create configurations"? (from my experience, it is better not to mix both methods...)

              Do you have a property for "part number" or are you using the file's name? (BOM consideration).

               

              By the way, regarding your statement - ..."they aren't doing something that the other users won't have at their disposal." - using what I called "method 2", the fasteners are part of the vault, in a central location (under "library" folder for example) - so they are common to everyone as well.

               

              Keren

                • Re: Do you manage your Toolbox in EPDM?
                  Shawn Kelly

                  I think to answer your question about the SPR there are no files managed outside the vault for us.  Everything we do related to SolidWorks is inside the vault and our toolbox location hasn't changed. Let me say that with the new toolbox environment in 2012 and not really investigating it too much, I'm not sure how this will all apply...

                   

                  We have done a little of both.  We have completed some toolbox configuration and pre-loading of configurations and properties into the toolbox configuration as well as have some users given the ability to add data to the EPDM datacard post configuration creation.

                   

                  We do have a property for part number and use it several different ways.

                   

                  To comment back on your response to my statement.  I guess what I was saying is that anytime you have some people outside the system that are allowed to do something and pull it into the vault without the other(s) knowing there is that chance that they will create and use it prior to pulling it into the vault for one and I suppose the other would be that depending on how you create the part from the toolbox.  If others than one can do it then depending on their independent toolbox configuration, etc.  you could possibly have two identical parts created then pulled into your library that would be identical.