Thats good information.
Unfortunately, it's way past the budget allowed.
We were / are running Inventor on regular desktops under Windows Pro x32 so anything we do toward a workstation or better graphics is a signifiant improvement.
Good afternoon Rick,
Machine power really depends on what your doing, you don't need to render to use up a lot of computer time and resources.
I understand your money constraints, however as a SolidWorks user, better machine performance actually saves money. in the past, I used to have a slow system and a huge assembly and I would turn the assembly and literally have to wait for 30 or more seconds before anything moved. I know now, would of I had the machine that I am using, wow, I probably would have cut the final design time in half.
Economics is a weird animal, it's all about pay me now or pay me later,
What ever works for you,
Welcome to the forum.
If you look to the right of your posting there is a section entitled "More Like This".
If you did through some of those threads they might help you.
Here is another one.
But a good bencjmark is what Solidworks posts on the portal.
Good luck. Hope these are helpful to you.
After making my post I did see the "More like this" and have begun to look at it.
It does help.
We also did a benchmark on a different system the management wanted us to test (Dell Optiplex 790 with no added graphics card).
As you can imagine we were ranking very low in the benchmark (lower 8% in the graphics area).
The good thing about that is that we were able to present that to management and show how the performance would relate to dramatically ineffective and inefficient design time and they broke down and said we can get the workstations we had specified (Dell T1600).
But then we found out the T1600 had a small Power Supply and after comparing to the T3500, it looks like we can get more CPU power, and larger PS from the T3500.
We don't know what processor is better for SW but I am imagining it would be the one in the T3500.
Since we don't do rendering, it looks like (form other blogs I have seen) that the dual core processor should be fine as well as the video cards we are considering.
Understand whether you are running Inventor or Solidworks they are both 3D modeling programs
that require memory. I would suggest nothing less then 12GB.
I am currently working on very large assembies and I am running on a Dell T7500 with 12 GB.
This machine handles my models quite nicely.
But I do understand the importance of trying to convince management. If they don't have knowledge or experience
in this field then all they see is dollars and cents and the bottom line. Convincing them is a challenge at times.
Here are the specs for the T3500 I got a few months ago. I read your post describing the type of stuff you do and it's very similar to mine. This is probably more than you really need, but it has worked well for me. I'm sure there are several places where the cost could be cut without hurting performance too much, but I'm not a hardware expert so I'm not the one to ask where.
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Get the fastest, most modern CPU architecture you can afford. SolidWorks is cpu bound and needs a good CPU to performa well.
Spend you money on CPU, then RAM and then video card. Get a Nvidia Quadro 600 or 2000 or and AMD FirePro V4800 or V4900 card.
The T1600 or T3500 are nice systems. We use both in our engieering areas. The T1600 with Quad core cpu's. The T3500 are our bigger systems with 6 core cpu's. You need the bigger power supply in the T3500 for the higher core cpu's and the higher end video cards.
I would buy the T1600 for your place. What is your budget?
Post the spec's of the two systems you are looking at. We can give you better recommendations on your hardware choices. Will save you from a bad hardware choice.
I will post the full spec's later today.
Our budget it tight but the configuration I cam up with on the T1600 and T3500 only differ in price by $30, so I lean to the T3500.
Same video card AMD FirePro 4800 or Nvidia Quadro 600, both as dual (upgradeable to quad or the T3500 to 6 core), same hard disk sizes, T1600 with 320w and T3500 with 525w Power supplies (largest Dell offers for each), both with 6 gig memory (T1600 upgradable to 8, T3500 upgradeable to 12).
Biggest difference (other than Power Supply) in the configuration we would get (because of budget) is T1600 has Xeon E3-1200 dual core CPU, T3500 has Xeon W3505 Dual core CPU).
I don't know the differences in the CPU's but am imagining the T3500 ones are better.
These are the full configurations for the Dell T1600 and Dell T3500 - shown with all available options.
I have matched most options to create nearly equivalent sytems (except the core features and processors).
We would be adding 3rd. party memory and second Data hard disk to each configurations (Dell wanted way too much for these additions).
Due to budget, we would likely be using the dual core processors I have shown.
If the budget allowed, we would increase these.
We will use Windows 7 Pro - 64 bit with Solid works "Standard" 2012. (another thing that will hopefully improve on day).
The power supply of the T1600 is 320w and the T3500 is 525w.
Please give me your feelings on which you think would be best - I am anticipating the T3500 but I'm not the expert here.
We will NOT be doing rendering or simulations so we don't need that extream power and speed.
Most will be 200 or less part assemblies that are fairly simple in design - no fancy lofts or high use of fillets.
I appreciate your input.
Here are the Passmark ratings for both cpu's.
Get the T1600. CPU is the most important bit of hardware for SolidWorks. The Xeon W3503 is several generations old, low end cpu. The Core i3 is newer and faster. The power supply in the T1600 is more then adequate for the Core i3 cpu you have spec'ed. The CPU uses 65 watts max and the Quadro 600 uses 40W max.
Thanks, that was extremely helpful.
I was surprised at the results but as you said (that I didn't realize) the CPU is several generations old.
This is the information that we needed to finalize our decisions.
I'm glad I asked the experts!
Thanks again, Rick