Sorry everyone had to take down the toolbox.
Hi Russell, I use McMaster-Carr quite often, but I have not set up a toolbox for it. I just bookmark the site and get what I need.
You are right. It is going to be time consuming.
I would just start with one down load it then add your different configs
and create your different sizes.
Understand that McMaster-Carr does not down load with configs that I have experienced.
Now based on your thread from last week I get the impression you like real threads so that
will pose some complications for configs. I prefer using cosmetic threads. Much simpler.
Biggest problem I see with McMaster-Carr models is way too much detail especially with fasteners. The file for a simple bolt is huge, if you have a ton of computer power than not a big issue. But I do apprciate the level of detail on other parts they have, great company.
I would export a bunch of stuff from Toolbox and use the configs to get what you want. Rename to McMaster-Carr part numbers if you want.
I would think something like this is better suited for 3d content central and not toolbox. The problem is that Mcmaster Carr isn't on 3D content central as a supplier.
We also source many of our fasteners (and other hardware) from MC.
When we first adopted SolidWorks we jumped on the Toolbox bandwagon. Through time we came to understand many of the "issues" others had experienced with toolbox. A few releases ago we transitioned away from Toolbox.
Since we had access to the toolbox models, we have populated our library with copies of those models - sort of a static toolbox. We add models to it from either McMaster or at times we will use the toolbox as a "model generator" to create a new fastener. More often then not, I will just perform a "save as / copy" and adjust the fastener length when a new one is needed. With you not having access to the toolbox at home, you will probably have to capture your fasteners mostly from online.
When we do download a McMaster model, we add a "simplified" configuration which includes suppressed thread features and/or a merged extrude feature over the top of and to consume the threads. This reduces the model complexity significantly. The model is saved with the simplified configuration active and rarely do we switch to the threaded version.
Regarding the organization; we have a network library just for fasteners. The structure of the network library exactly matches the toolbox structure - top level folders represent standards (ANSI Inch, ANSI Metric, MIL), next level folders represent hardware types (Bearings, Bolts and Screws, etc.), third level breaks each into subtypes, and so on. I can't say this is ideal, it is just what we came up with at the time and seems to work for the most part.
File naming has arguments for several different methods. What we have adopted for our library fasteners is to list the McMaster Part Number followed by an abbreviated description. For example: S91249A260 (PHMS #10-32 x 0.375 SSBO) is a Pan Head Machine Screw, #10-32 x 3/8, Stainless Steel, Black Oxide. The S in front of the McMaster part number stands for Standard, Stock, Spec - take your pick. McMaster has done a masterful job of organization. Instead of re-inventing a whole part numbering methodology for non-revision controlled library fasteners, we have 100% plagiarized their work. The "S" is just a reminder to some of our non-engineering folks that although this part model started life as a McMaster item, you can source it from anyplace you like...
This will be a time consuming and tedious process. I agree with your planned approach of adding items as you need them. Once you have a model of a general type, it is relatively straight forward to add size variations. Whether you choose configurations or copies of models is another discussion. Setting up your library structure with empty folders ahead of time should not be too daunting a task. Do keep in mind that Murphy's CAD Library law says "the likelihood you will have the fastener model available in your library is inversely proportional to the urgency in which you need it."
Good luck and keep the forum posted on your progress.
While communicating with McMaster, tell them that it is a PITA that they do not hide sketches and planes on their parts. They do name configs with part numbers already, so it would not be a lot of trouble to set up design tables and configurations.
Sometimes I use Logopress 123Go for fasteners; it would be neat if they included MCM part numbers with those parts.
Of course, MCM has a lot more hardware than just nuts and bolts. I brought in a hinge as a part the other day, then had to cut it up and make an assembly so it could actually move.
I download screws from McMaster-Carr all the time. I always simplify the threads by removing the helix, then I save the part as a parasolid and reload. This will remove all the features and make the part size smaller. Then I add mate references so you can drag the screw into your assembly and it will pop into place. Many people don't realize that you can drag pieces in from the Windows explorer outside of solidworks. Nice if you have dual monitors.
Your cloud idea sounds great, but there are a few problems that come to mind.
1) If you want to simplify and add mate references, you will save the file with your version of Solidworks. What if someone has an older version of Solidworks?
2) If everyone has access to read/write in the cloud, someone could change or delete files. One person or a group of trusted people would have to check/modify the parts and names, then save them to a read only library.
3) How could we handle updates if McMaster-Carr changes something? Hopefully, at least their part number would change if something critical is different on the part.
4) There should be some agreement on the file naming and how the parts are to be modified. Threads gone, threads simplified, threads the same, configurations, etc.
I'm not trying to open a can of worms here. I like the idea and I think we can all save each other some time. I have attached a screw from my library as an example. I have also attached an old de-sta-co clamp that I modified from a non moving cad download. I would love to have the complete set of McMaster-Carr toggle clamps with full movement.
Hello Russell, I'm very excited with this project you have. I have a question. How are you organizing/naming the parts?
Are you including description in the name of the part? Or are you providing a folder structure that would give the description of the files?
Personally, I think it would be the easiest to use, if you simply used the McMaster part number with no additional descriptions in the name.
To address Grants concerns regarding providing simplified versions, I think the easiest solution would be to keep one file per part number and simply create a few configurations. I.e. a cosmetic configuration, a simplified configuration, any "modified" configurations, or even older version configurations (albeit, this one could increase the file size significantly).
Good morning Russell,
How are you making out??
I'm just getting caught up with the original post and all the follow ups. I've downloaded and re-propertied almost 1000 McMaster Carr parts. I added more properties to the originals eg. price, our part # etc.these are almost all screws, nuts, bolts, and washers. All kinds of heads, but mostly just small sizes.
The total size of all these models is under 1gB.
So would Dropbox be an option?
Another issue with some of the screws and bolts is that the threads are built incorretly. iso hex bolts are mostly wrong, but socket head cap screws are excellent examoles of how to make a SW part. They are easily configurable (if you want).
I thinc McM Carr has to be commended for the models they make available
Good morning Vic,
What I have done is created a design table for one Item, instead of downloading the individual components.
The McMaster-Carr files are great, but I'm not going to store all of their fasteners. In one of my posts above is what I do here.
Agreed with your comment on the threads, which actually means nothing for us, unless we are using the part in an assembly that we need to do the photo 360..
The files that you downloaded, are they individual parts like a: 1/4" Hex Head Zinc Bolt x 1/2" long and another for 3/8" long and another for 1/2' long and another for......... Or do you have one file that is all the 1/4" Hex Head Zinc Bolt sizes????
I've downloaded each size, threads and all, so I have a model for 3/8", 1/2", etc.
Each one I added in the properties of the part, the cost, our part#, thread length, all; of the properties of the part.
We are using almost exclusively 18-8 SS parts, and 2-56, 4-40, 6-32, 8-32, 10-32, i/4, 5/16, 3/8.
So all small stuff.
We like th look of having the threads, and by having individual parts has advantages in BOM's.
All of our assemblies are fairly small under 200 parts, so having threads hasn't come an issue with lack of resources.
Doing this has been a large job, but the end result works for us.
I'm taking the teamplatform link with cad down until i get a better feel and check out T&Cs. I didn't "accept terms" when downloading but am getting the feeling that the forum might not be the right place for this discussion.
(original message below)
I've been able to get nearly 1000 parts and am too pleased that McMaster offers this. I'm a little late to the discussion, so I'm not sure what Russel originally had in mind (he's recently said he had to "take down" his toolbox), but it sounds like a collection.
I'd like to combine what you've (or anyone's) got with what I've picked up, and maybe organize these models further. Here's my small sample (link is just a simple list so it's easy to view) - https://teamplatform.com --- take down.
Btw, if you want to look at the 3d views of these files, you'd better NOT use IE.
Good morning Scott,
Welcome to the Forum,
Russell won't be on till later, however McMaster Carr didn't appreciate this post and actually made Russell change the heading etc, and on top of that he needed to shut down his public skydrive folder, for what reason, no body knows. So you may want to be careful how you advertise your McMaster stuff, it's time to buy from MSC, Fastenall or whoever else is out there.
For one I won't be putting anymore McMaster-Carr stuff in my BOM, I'll just need to change part numbers to the MSC layout or Fastenall. For me it's Boycott time
The bad part about their part download structure is you need to do one part at a time instead of configurations,
As a company that buys quite a bit of this stuff, I must say using the model is one thing but you would be doing your company a service to always list the manufacture part number in a BOM and not a distributor's P/N.
And let me tell you (from years of purchasing thru MSC), shop the stuff and you will see that MSC is no price deal. We get the same items for 20-30% less than we would pay at MSC.
Our policy here is to always use manufacture P/N's in BOM's. You will notice that Mc-Master never lists the manufacture and the reason they don't is they don't want to help people shop...
Good morning Dave,
Putting the MSC or McMaster part numbers in the BOM, helps our lazy purchasing agent, (don't you feel the love), I agree with putting the manufacturers number in the BOM, however that only opens up a can of worms here.
I have set up my models using a design table, which allows me to customize my parts, normally on nut & bolt hardware we have our in house part numbers, because those are always bought on price, however outside that realm, then it's up to me where we buy if it's a non-stock item, because of the above mentioned reason.
It's all fun, but the audacity that McMaster-Carr had to come on here and really shoot themselves in the foot in a way, because there are a lot of people that don't care for the Big Brother stuff, however we all know that this incident isn't going to make or break their business. The only thing for me was to be able to take what they have and make it better, plus have their part numbers constantly shown in many BOM's.
So much for my rant, I got to get over it and move on
Have a great day, (Friday the 13th )
We use McMaster parts in our design library inplace of the SW toolbox. We have found this much easier since we actually order the part from MMC. We use a "MMC-" prefix before the part number and a coded series of abbreviations for the description. So MMC-90631A009 would have a description of LN, #8-32, STL GR2-ZP. Lock Nut, #8-32 thread, Steel, Grade 2, Zinc Plated.
Would you be willing to share the MMC parts you've downloaded? I have about 100 downloaded on my end. I could setup a private FTP on our website or use dropbox.
Good afternoon Jordan,
This is what I did here is added the design table and in that design table are all configurations for 8-32, 8-24 etc.... complete with part numbers, description and current price.
I have all the sizes in the Socket Head Cap Screws that they list in Black-Oxide, Self-Locking Black-Oxide Alloy Steel, Zinc Plated Alloy Steel, Stainless Steel 18-8 and 316-L
Below are only the 1/4" and 3/8"
But that's only a few Socket Head Cap Screws, there's an additional thousands of pcs.
If you want the additional files let me know;
I emailed you what I have done currently. I wish mcmaster would just let us have the actual file they generate many of these models from so we didn't need to get a ton of individual files.
I only scanned the thread so I hope this has not already been posted.
We too buy from McMaster, however, as I am sure most know, they are not a MFG, they are a distributor. When it comes to P/N's, I prefer to NOT use distributor P/N's.
And, for reference, if you need a couple of something, Mc-Master is great but don't expect to get the best prices. Over the last few years we have been getting lots of McMaster type stuff from others and saving lots of cash.
About 8 years ago I saved over $700.00 buying springs that my customer spec'd as McMaster P/N's but I found the actual spring MFG in minutes.
Just something to consider.
The way Russell and I were discussing was to create one file with multiple configurations and a design table, that way people like you can change part numbers and descriptions very easily.
Agreed with doing a little shopping, however most of us would have a big problem if supply houses such as McMaster-Carr and MSC wouldn't exist.
My biggest gripe with McMaster-Carr is you have to download tons of parts where you should be able to download the components like they are listed in the Sky Drive account.
I've just found out that the McMaster Carr models for all of the hex head bolts and all of the button head screws (at least) have the same basic error in the equations that are driving the thread profile. The threads on those parts aren't a helix but a pattern, which isn't exacttly correct.
If corrections are made to the equations the parts then look pretty good - right now they look BAD.
So here goes..."D2@Sketch2" = "threadPitch@Sketch2" / 8 Should be / 16
"D3@Sketch2" = "threadPitch@Sketch2" / 4 Should be / 8
."D4@Sketch2" = "threadPitch@Sketch2" Should be / 2
This is for the button head screws, and here are the equations for the Hex Head bolts.
."D2@Sketch2" = "threadPitch@Sketch2" / 8 Should be / 16
"D4@Sketch2" = "threadPitch@Sketch2" / 4 Should be / 8
."D1@Sketch2" = "threadPitch@Sketch2" Should be / 2
I'm a little late to the party, but I have to ask what you feel that you can accomplish better using the MMC models for fasteners than just using the models that come with Toolbox? We use MMC all the time and order fasteners by the thousands from them, but I have never needed one of their fastener models. The only thing that I wish was easier to do is get their part numbers in Toolbox. So far, we have an enormous amount of part numbers already put in, but I know there are many more.
Usually, when we need a fastener that we don't have a number for, we'll find the specific one on MMC and then add all of the lengths and sizes for that particular type of fastener. It would be a huge undertaking, not to mention a waste of time, to download each and every model of every fastener we use on a regular basis. All we care about is the model number, since we aren't showing each thread of each fastener in every detail. We've got some pretty beefy computers with solidstate drives, but including all of that information would slow us down to a crawl.
The Excel file attached is more valuable for the toolbox than any model they have available.
Feel free to import it if you need it.
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