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Re: Automatic View Update Option
Jody Stiles Sep 28, 2011 3:43 PM (in response to Don Van Zile)Don,
I can't say that I've ever used this option. It's always checked off to auto-update. To be clear, we are in the process of migrating from Pro/E to SolidWorks and as of yet don't have any large assembly drawings done so it has not been an issue. I can see the benefit of this tool though. I do think it is lacking a bit of flexibility though. I would want all of my parts and small assemblies to auto-update but I might not want my large assemblies (say 100 files or more) to auto-update. Right now it's all or nothing. I would want to be able to specify my own file count threshold and not be tied to the large-assembly mode system options. I don't have any data to back it up but I might want large-assembly mode to kick in at 500 files when in assembly mode but only 100 files in drawing mode because I don't need real-time updates in my drawing but I do in my assemblies.
I would also like to see an option on the File > Open dialog where I can (un)check an auto-update option prior to opening the file. This way, if a system threshold is set to 100 but the components in this drawing are particularly complicated and would result in a very long rebuild, I could avoid that by de-selecting the auto-update prior to opening. (See image below)
There should also be an option for when a user chooses to "Make drawing from part/assembly" and the drawing already exists in the workspace and the user gets the "There is a drawing file with same name..." pop-up. I would want to see the same check box offered on this dialog. (See image below)
I would want to be able to annotate my views even if they are out of date. It might not make any difference if I update before or after I annotate (I have to do it anyway) but I prefer flexibility over rigidity and I think there should be a switch to choose one or the other. There will always be some who want it one way and others who want the opposite.
How do you define small dimensional changes to a small portion of the model?
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Re: Automatic View Update Option
Don Van Zile
Sep 28, 2011 4:18 PM
(in response to Jody Stiles)
Jody,
Thanks for the well thought out feedback, as always it is very much appreciated!
You bring up interesting points about flexibility as it’s currently an all or nothing scenario. My definition of small dimensional changes means that if I’m working in the context of a large assembly there may be changes that may not even be visible in the drawing or current set of annotations that is currently being worked on (i.e. internal components that may not be views). I could see this being a real time saver with large assembly drawings myself for the exact reasons as you mention. I can still annotate even if it is out of date and rebuild later as necessary if it takes a while.
What do you think of the current out-of-date hatching that occurs? Do you think this is useful for out-of-date views or too intrusive?
Don
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Re: Automatic View Update Option
Jody Stiles Sep 28, 2011 4:54 PM (in response to Don Van Zile)As it currently stands it is not terrible but it could perhaps be given some customization as to line type, color, spacing, and angle. I can see a drawing having a lot of views on it becoming overloaded with hatching. The lines become very compressed when you zoom out on the drawing. Perhaps the line spacing could update to maintain some specified spacing based on zoom.
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Re: Automatic View Update Option
Don Van Zile
Sep 28, 2011 5:05 PM
(in response to Jody Stiles)
What if the hatching itself was actually removed when this 'Auto update' option was turned off and just the rebuild icons on the sheet/views appeared in the feature manager (just like when model features need rebuilding) indicating a rebuild is required for updates. Does the hatching really need to be there so it's extremely, visably out of date or would the rebuild icons in the feature manager be enough?
Don
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Re: Automatic View Update Option
Wayne Tiffany Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM (in response to Don Van Zile)There have been comments related to the "save your work" reminder as not being in your face enough to make sure you don't miss it. I see this as somewhat the same issue. If it's not totally in your face, is the risk of out of date drawings going to the shop high enough to not want to to do that?
WT
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Re: Automatic View Update Option
Jody Stiles Sep 28, 2011 7:46 PM (in response to Wayne Tiffany)I agree with Wayne on this one. I tend to not look at the view manager pane much at all. If i were to utilize this function more, I would want to see something in each ot-of-date view. Perhaps an option is to put a small out-of-date icon in the upper left corener of each out-of-date view.
Something like this?
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Re: Automatic View Update Option
Wayne Tiffany Sep 28, 2011 7:52 PM (in response to Jody Stiles)Make sure it's movable becuse there will surely be something behind it that I want to dimension to. :-)
WT
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Re: Automatic View Update Option
Don Van Zile
Sep 28, 2011 8:23 PM
(in response to Jody Stiles)
Jody and Wayne,
My thinking is similar to yours in that maybe we could put a rebuild/update icon in the views that isn't as intrusive (much like you show) but certainly is still very obvious that the view is out of date (I agree something should be in your face but let you work if you still need or want to prior to rebuilding a computational intensive drawing. Obviously on the example you show in that view an old pentium chip would handle that just fine let alone an i7 chip.
Wayne, maybe instead of physically moving something the update icon could temporiliy disapear when the cursor is by or around it.
Don
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Re: Automatic View Update Option
Jody Stiles Sep 29, 2011 9:40 AM (in response to Don Van Zile)Don Van Zile wrote:
Wayne, maybe instead of physically moving something the update icon could temporiliy disapear when the cursor is by or around it.
Don
This methodology would follow the way the pop-up menus work. I like it.
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Re: Automatic View Update Option
Wayne Tiffany Sep 29, 2011 10:49 AM (in response to Don Van Zile)I would be ok with that.
WT
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