What is the best and most cost effective software on the market to take a pcf file generated within solidworks and create an iso piping drawing? Looking for a product like isogen but without the investment.
The only other program I have worked with that converts the exported .pcf file to an isometric drawing is 10PiTube (http://www.10pisoft.com/). It is currently freeware, as it is being developed. Intergraph's (Alias or Hexagon or whatever their name is this year) I-Run package is actually very affordable and makes the customization and generation of standard piping Isometric drawings much easier.
The problem we have run into is that while both of these programs work well, Solidworks does not export a .pcf file that contains the depth of data that other piping packages do. -So the Piping Isometric drawing that is created still has to be manually touched up, supplied with connection details, supports, half the time routed assemblies do not export. This is a issue that is actualy very close to my heart, as I do plant design in Solidworks. I am at Solidworks World this week, and hope to find out more information about how other people are using the .pcf function.
Hello Trent, This very topic is very important to me as well. I'm anxious to hear back from you after you do some searching at SWW 2011. I have downloaded that 10pitube software and boy I have some questions. Add elevationmarks, balloons with cutlist, customize format, custom symbols, ect. I hope to be speaking with a reseller of irun this week. Regardless, I have heard that there is manual tweaking that needs to be done to the piping isometric since Solidworks just doesn't support all items. Hope to hear from you soon. ~Justin
If you have specific information about what is missing from our .pcf output I'd like to hear from you.
We have enhanced this a great deal over the past few years.
If the missing data is requested by enough customers we will endeavour to add it.
I know it would be a big endeavor but wouldn't it be best and more fitting if SW didn't ask of it's piping customers to have to rely on 3rd company products, which work in a different manner and according to different rules which have no relation no SW?
Half a year ago I once looked at 10PiTube and couldn't say that I was impressed. It even had problems with the examples that it provided as a demonstration. Besides reading that a recent improvement was that Con. Red. .pcf files were converted (no mention of Ecc. Red. mind you) didn't sound all that promising to me
One either has to rely on something that does piping and nothing else, or just do it the really ol' fashioned way and draw it manually or use a 3D package, learning and figuring out how to make the desired 3d piping model and make allowances for the package and therefor change the way one would normally work and then..... to get an ISO drawing adjusting the entire handmade library so as to make sure it's .pcf compliant. Then wait and see if SW .pcf is compliant enough to be imported without fault into a program by a different manufacturer and if it doesn't make do because whatever goes wrong A will say that the error is B's and vice-versa.
Not to mention the money, time and effort needed to have the user buy-update-learn-use 2 programs as well as learning about .pcf's in the first place.
I must admit that to me it comes across as saying that you can buy an airplane without controls, those you have to buy seperately, install them yourself without any help from either manufacturer and oh yeah... the interface between the two is something that was set up according to a rules devised by neither parties and both parties are rather stingy with information about it. Now I'm more then willing to believe that there has been made serious progress in the .pcf department. I just wonder if it wouldn't have been better spend elsewhere or atleast until it was something that worked (near)flawless, preferably without the need to rely on another companies product.
Afterall, it's one thing that Excel can save-as a Lotus file but it would be a tad rich if the user had to rely on a different product just to be able to make graph tables of data entered in an .xls file.
Perhaps I'm looking at it to narrow. How many of the Routing users use the .pcf possibilities? How happy are they about it and what advantage does it offer or does it just cause more work to get something that could probably have been redrawn quicker and more compliant to industry/client standards?
I am a little bit suprised about your request to show you the missing data at the pcf file export.
Because you could make it realy easy, look at the speficied elements of the pcf file format.
If you can export all elements, all requests from your customers are fullfilled.
As an example following issues should be possible.
- choose coordinate system for export (because SW standard coordinate system doesn't fit to pcf standard coordinate system)
- Orrientation of Valve
- Export References
This list is only an example of major issues, sure not complete
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