This thread is obsolete, and contains some errors, so I'm just deleting it.
See my April build:
That's amazing! Thanks for putting this together. I've gotten three years out of my current home-built system, but would like to upgrade in the next couple of months. This gives me plenty to consider.
Have you checked compatibility of each of the pieces of hardware (and their drivers) to have a good picture of how well this stuff would play when mixed together?
Looks like the only thing missing is case fans and perhaps a chip heat sink/fan (if you don't use the stock stuff from Intel). Anything else?
One note that I didn't think of, is that if you are going to use a SSD, you need to back it up regularly. A nightly backup to that TB drive is probably a good idea.
But Jeff: No, I have not tested this system. I would like to get the chance to! There is the potential for conflicts with this setup, so I don't want to sound like this is a tested machine. I will say that I only picked name brand components. I have bought components before from all the names above.
Intel makes a Core i7-2600K which is $30 more, but has an unlocked multiplier (which means you can overclock it). Thus, I assume that the regular 2600 with the Intel heatsink is good enough. If you want to get the 2600K plus an aftermarket heatsink, rumor is you can get 5.6+ GHz.
My thoughts are though, if you're the kind of person who overclocks, you don't need my suggestions for what to buy.
Note:Also, those "OEM BUILD" disk drives don't come with cables, so don't forget to buy one extra SATA cable. The Motherboard should come with 2 (thanks Dan).
Also, don't forget to price out a keyboard/monitor/operating system when comparing with a pre-built system. Windows 7 Professional is $140 list price now, and some places have it on sale for $120. This system is useless without a 64 bit operating system, and XP 64 bit doesn't count!
5.6GHz is nuts! Supposedly my E8400 can overclock to 4.0GHz stably, but I haven't bothered messing with it.
I might take out some of the items from this list, set aside the same components from my old case, and simply upgrade the relevant guts (motherboard, chips, RAM). That would allow for an even less expensive upgrade, and I could put my current system's guts into an old box and run it as a separate system (later) if desired.
Whatever it's worth, I've had great results with the 300GB VelociRaptor drives (10K rpm), and I use a 7,200 rpm 1TB Samsung drive as one of the back-up drives (also have one in a USB external enclosure). They seem to work quite well so far.
Sweet looking system Charles.... The new Sandy Bridge cpu's should have great bang for the buck.
I highly recommend SSD drives. They are fast. Opening and closing applications is fast. Noticebly faster then on the WD Velociraptors.
I would actually pay the extra $30 for "K" version to be able to overclock it, but wouldn't do any overclocking until a year or two down the road, when the users start complaining about performance and the processors have already paid for themselves. Then, Charles, you can go in and without any hardware changes, tweak the system to get a little extra out of those processors. Everybody will think you are an awesome omniscient superhacker. I don't know if this would affect your MOBO and cooling system. Usually, you can get away with a little overclocking without having extreme cooling. Doing it a year or two down the road would also give you a chance to test and find the best, most stable OC settings on your own machine.
But why would you let the users go a year or so without the performance boost? That's a years worth of accumulated time waiting for large parts, assemblies, and drawings to be rebuilt. Time is money so this doesn't make much sense to me.
I suppose one could overclock immediately, but overclocking can shorten the life of the processors. Most people are gonna be pretty satisfied with the performance of that processor right out of the box.
Oh I see Chris, yes your right. But I wasn't reffering to the extreme 5.6 ghz, I was reffering to something more conservetive like what you can build and comes factory overclocked from Alienware right now at 4.1 ghz. I have to believe there is a bit of build in head room in these processors. But you are right that it is something to consisder.
Plus, he will void his warranty even with a conservative overclock. I'd agree that the processors probably won't crap out from light overclocking, but IF they do then he is sitting there with X number of users who are loosing working time with broken processors not covered by the warranty. That is why if it were me, I'd try an OC a couple years down the road when the systems are paid for and breaking the processor (or other components) won't make the boss to angry. That is when the extra $30 could pay for itself, by extending the lifetime of the system by at least a month or two, but possibly up to a year.
Good points Chris, thanks for the clarification. Clearly "risk vs reward" at play here.
The i7 2XXX's have integrated graphics. How will this work with sperate VC's (Quadro and FirePro)? That just smells of compatibility issues. Doesn't it also limits you to Intel MB's.
The way I understand it is it's designed to switch off the integrated graphics modual and redirect the bandwidth to the card.
Don is correct. Most of the new Intel chips now have integrated graphics; they started that with the Core2s.
Charles, are you thinking of GPU integrated in the mobo chipset? Sandy Bridge has the GPU intergrated in the processor package doens't it? On die?
Either way, the mobo chipset drivers should handle this just fine.
Looks like it is not the Core2's, but the i3/i5/i7s:
So do you want to run the OS and programs on the SSD and put everyhting else on the other hard drive?
OS, Program Files, Temp Directories, SolidWorks Temp Directories, SW Backup Directories, System Hibernation file (for laptops).
In theory, you also want the local working directory for SW files on the SSD. That depends on your PDM system. We don't use PDM, so I can't comment on that further.
I know that if management here approves this upgrade, I will want to keep the FEA working directory on the SSD. I will keep an archive of old projects on the HDD, but whatever project I'm currently working on will get a directory on the SSD, that way all the files that get written and read will go on that drive. We use Algor for FEA.
- I have updated this post to reflect a better understanding of SSD drives.
Would it not be better to keep only program (read only) files on the SSD to minimize re-writes. I thought it was preferred to keep dynamic or volatile files on a regular HDD.
SSDs have a limited number of possible rewrites, so that would be a reason not to use them for volatile data. On the other hand, the replacement costs have come down, and it actually takes a long time to use all your rewrites. So, you might as well get all the speed advantage from the SSD you can. If it does wear out before you replace the system, you still got more than your money's worth out of it.
very cool, thanks for the post!
i did a quick search for Dell's i7-2600 computers and found the XPS 8300. it's base price is $799 with:
* Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
6 GB DDR3 @ 1333 MHz
1 TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0 Gb/s HDD
* ATI Radeon HD5450 1 GB DDR3
DVD±RW DL burner
1 year warranty
upgrade to Windows 7 Professional for $100, and add your FirePro V4800 for $160 = $1060.
the warranty goes out the window with the upgrades, but whatever! thought i'd share.
Thanks Ken! I'm glad to see they've added it to their lineup already. Sometimes it takes them a long time.
So, when will they add it to the Precision machines? First Intel has to come out with the Xeon E3-1270, 1275, and 1280. Those are not slated for release for a little while, but it will be in the next couple months. Then I will recommend one of those, and hopefully have a full system spec from Dell, HP, & Boxx.
The hard drives don't come with SATA cables but the motherboard does. It comes with two so I guess you still need one more for the DVD drive.
Thanks Dan, duely noted and updated. And I also found out that Win7 for System Builders is actually $140, and some places just have it discounted $20.
If you want to use the graphic part of the intel CPU you need to buy a mother board with the H67 chipset. You are not limited to the Intel brand for the mother board, just check that it has a H67 chipset on. With a P67 chipset mother board like Charles suggest, you can't use the graphic part of the 2XXX. The mobo won't see it.
But with a P67 you can overclock (2500K and 2600K only), not with H67.
I don't think there would be compatibility issue with other boards.
OK, I'm finally getting ready to rebuild my system with new stuff. Have I missed somewhere the next best thing to the P67/LGA 1155 and Sandy Bridge thing acting as a fix or work-around for the Intel recall? I've been out of the loop for a while, but Newegg has pulled the motherboards for the chip you recommended.
Given that, what's the next-best thing to grab this sort of performance for the money?
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