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    Silly workarounds in drawings

    Melissa Appel

      Hi all,

       

      For those of you who don't know me, I work in Product Definition at SolidWorks. I'm currently doing some research on how people use drawings and I would like to know from you:

       

      What are the silliest workarounds you use in drawings, and what is the actual goal? (And please tell me what version you're using.)

       

      For example,

       

      Workaround: create a section view, crop the view, and hide some edges

      Real goal: cross section of a specific feature while hiding the rest of the model

      Version: 2009

       

      Workaround: draw a sketch over an existing area of a drawing view and hatch within the sketch

      Real goal: hatch an area that's visibly outlined on the drawing

      Version: 2011

       

      I look forward to hearing your feedback!

       

      Thanks,

      Melissa.

       

      Product Definition Specialist

      DS SolidWorks Corp.

        • 1. Re: Silly workarounds in drawings
          Mark Kot

          Melissa,

           

          Here is one...

          Goal: to hide one item of the cutlist. By clicking rebuild, it shows up again.

          SolidWorkaround: Go back to the model and mark the corresponding body as a weld bead. This makes it disappear from the cutlist.

           

           

          SW2010 SP4.0 XP64

           

          Mark

          • 2. Re: Silly workarounds in drawings
            Brian Long

            Melissa,

            Please check out SPR# 481922. Just tryied it with 2011 and it is still broke.

             

            Here is the situation:

             

            When creating a custom property that is driven by a "macro driven" equation, you can't link to that custom property on a drawing and have the evaluated value display. It always displayes the text expression.

            So check out these screen shots, they should anwser all your questions:

            • 3. Re: Silly workarounds in drawings
              Dwight Livingston

              Melissa

               

              Hi, thanks for inquiring in the forum. A few workarounds come to mind right away. I'm sure I'll have more once I think about it.

               

              1. Dimension to odd edges: Molded parts and others may have edge geometry to which I cannot attach a dimension, so I must first sketch it in and dimension to that. Also holes may be truly round in view but the edge is spline and won't produce a diameter dimension. I wish I had more universal selection control for dimensioning. Shy of that, I wish I could hide a sketched line in a drawing.

               

              2. Centermark arrays: I often want to add additonal centermarks to a centermark array. My silly workaround is to delete the array and do it over.

               

              3. Table header format: In our BOMs, all the column headers are centered yet the rest of some columns is left justified. This cannot be controlled in the template. My silly workaround has me editing this every time I create a BOM.

               

              4. Table row height: row height does not get smaller when a cell value is edited so that there are fewer lines of text. My silly workaround is to drag the row height. Yet the default height padding is only .0001, so I also must edit that.

               

              Dwight

              • 4. Re: Silly workarounds in drawings
                Jason Swackhamer

                Dwight-

                 

                A work around for your lack of work around:

                "Shy of that, I wish I could hide a sketched line in a drawing."

                 

                You can put the line on a different drawing layer and hide that layer. We have all our drawing templates set up with two layers: "Default" and "Hidden". Anything moved to the hidden layer doesn't show on your drawing.

                 

                -Jason S.

                • 5. Re: Silly workarounds in drawings
                  Mark Kaiser

                  Workaround:  Click an edge 2-3 times to hide it.

                   

                  Goal:  Click the edge just once to hide it.

                   

                  2010

                  • 6. Re: Silly workarounds in drawings
                    Daniel Melendez

                    Hi Melissa, thanks for inquiry. SWx 2010 sp4. i7x64

                     

                    You can't rotate a detail view. workaround I insert a part instead of using a detail view.

                     

                    It's not easy to do piping or wiring schematic in SWx. Workaround I use Autocad.

                     

                    2d editor lacks and so does Draftsight.

                     

                    Can't directly link properties to in General Tables to custom properties in multiconfiguration parts that are tabulated.

                    Workaround; use general table but static infromation in cells. Yes I know I can use excel but why should I have to?

                     

                    Thanks, Daniel

                    • 7. Re: Silly workarounds in drawings
                      Kelvin Lamport

                      Dwight ... For #3 ... Do you have the Use Template Settings option selected in the Tools > Options > Document Properties > Tables section?

                      • 8. Re: Silly workarounds in drawings
                        Dwight Livingston

                        Kelvin Lamport wrote:

                         

                        Dwight ... For #3 ... Do you have the Use Template Settings option selected in the Tools > Options > Document Properties > Tables section?

                         

                        Thanks, Kelvin. That fixed it in a quick test.

                         

                        What is that option about? Why is it default off?

                         

                        I do go through the options every release, but that got by me.

                        • 9. Re: Silly workarounds in drawings
                          Matthew Lorono

                          Workaround: Use a rather odd set of special methods to fake the apparence of a watermark that can be controlled by a custom property (see this article: http://www.fcsuper.com/swblog/?p=24)  Another workaround involves ordering OLE objects, but this is only good for images requires labor intensive activity to change the watermark appearance.  For some reason, SW drawing package has a strange and rigid object display hierarchy that prevents common object ordering available in other draw packages.  Even using sheet format doesn't work to change object ordering.  Text on the sheet format still displays on top of an object line in the drawing sheet!

                          Desired result: Have a built in watermark function on drawings that allows the user to establish the display using custom properties or whatever other method we desire.  This can be in the form of a special layer or a special type of object.  But it must automatically display under every object that is part of the content of the drawing itself.  This is needed for compliance to allow the addition of release status to drawings.  Perhaps there can be a watermark settings in the layers window that allows the user to establish the layer of their choice as the watermark layer?

                          • 10. Re: Silly workarounds in drawings
                            Jerry Steiger

                            Melissa,

                             

                            This is similar to Dwight's first need. I often want to dimension to the outside edges of a case part so that the part can be measured with calipers at the maximum width. On most of our parts, the outside shape is either a spline or a silhouette edge that results in a spline. If I want to measure a horizontal width, I add points coincident to the splines on either side, make them horizontal to each other, dimension them from some vertical datum, and add a driven horizontal dimension. I move them vertically until the horizontal dimension between them is maximized, then hide the vertical dimension and the points. It sure would be nice if I could just dimension the splines like I do arcs or circles with a shift selection.

                             

                            Oh, yeah, I forgot: 2007, 2008, 2009

                             

                            Jerry Steiger

                            • 11. Re: Silly workarounds in drawings
                              Kelvin Lamport

                              I have no idea why that option exists, but even if there is some obscure reason, the option should be enabled (selected) by default.

                               

                              Why would anyone not want to use their template settings?

                              • 12. Re: Silly workarounds in drawings
                                Dwight Livingston

                                Jason Swackhamer wrote:

                                 

                                Dwight-

                                 

                                A work around for your lack of work around:

                                "Shy of that, I wish I could hide a sketched line in a drawing."

                                 

                                You can put the line on a different drawing layer and hide that layer. We have all our drawing templates set up with two layers: "Default" and "Hidden". Anything moved to the hidden layer doesn't show on your drawing.

                                 

                                -Jason S.

                                Jason

                                 

                                Thanks for the tip. I've never had to use AutoCAD so I've never used layers in SW. I'll give it a try.

                                • 13. Re: Silly workarounds in drawings
                                  Cliff Daniel

                                  +1 to all of Dwight's comments .

                                  • 14. Re: Silly workarounds in drawings
                                    Dwight Livingston

                                    Melissa

                                     

                                    A few more things . . .

                                     

                                    Task: change GD&T tolerance values when the drawing's units are changed.

                                    SWA: delete frames and recreate.


                                    Task: adjust non-orthogonal view while keeping its vertical axis pointing upward, so the view isn't tilted.

                                    SWA: include a vertical axis in model, show it the drawing, adjust view by eye (sort of), hide axis.


                                    Task: add a broken-out section to a detail view.

                                    SWA: create an extra view, add broken out section, make detail, hide extra view.


                                    Task: move angle dimension to a new quadrant.

                                    SWA: delete angle, create new angle dimension.

                                     

                                     

                                    Thanks to all who check these and let me know if there's a better solution.

                                     

                                    Dwight

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