24 Replies Latest reply on Mar 13, 2010 4:43 PM by Jim Wilkinson

    2010 Normal to command

    Roy Potter

      extract from the help file

       

      1. From an open model or 3D sketch, with nothing selected, press the spacebar.

      2. From the

       

      Orientation dialog box, double-click Normal To .

      The model aligns with the rotated coordinate system

       

      does not work for me apart from in a 2D sketch.

      Is this going to be a graphics card issue?

      or is there a setting I'm missing?

        • Re: 2010 Normal to command
          Jeff Walters
          I believe what you are trying only works in a 3D sketch but not in a 2D sketch.
          • Re: 2010 Normal to command
            Alessandro Frattini

            Hi,

            for me it works fine in SW2010 SP1, maybe and I say maybe, you have a corrupted SolidWorks registry.

            • Re: 2010 Normal to command
              Chris Dolejska

              ""press the spacebar.

              2. From the Orientation dialog box, double-click Normal To .""

               

              CTRL-8 is faster

                • Re: 2010 Normal to command
                  Roy Potter
                  Tried all that ,  works if a face is selected but does not work with no face selected & the "view transitions" in options is set to off.
                    • Re: 2010 Normal to command
                      Steve Calvert

                      So you're saying that in order for a "Normal To" view to be set you have to have a face or a plane selected.

                       

                      Steve

                        • Re: 2010 Normal to command
                          Roy Potter

                          Steve

                           

                          I'm sure you already know this , but as I understand it pre 2010 you select a face/plane, select the normal to command and the model places that face/plane normal to the screen...

                          ...2010 no face or plane needs pre-selecting.

                           

                          I think it is limited to the standard xyz co-ordinates so a face at an angle will not be placed normal to the screen unless pre-selected (I could be wrong but that was not demonstrated on the upgrade day). However without selecting anything but invoking the 'normal to' command in a sketch will put that sketch normal to the screen.

                           

                          Not really sure how often I'd use it but frustrating when it does not work as described.

                            • Re: 2010 Normal to command
                              Steve Calvert

                              You can still select a face/plane in SW2010 amd with the single click command you'll be able to select "Normal To".

                               

                              Maybe I'm missing something but works just the same for me in 2010.  Ihave 2006 open right now and opened the same part in 2010 and with the above desribed method it works just like 2006, actually faster because of the single click command.

                               

                              Steve

                              • Re: 2010 Normal to command
                                Jim Wilkinson

                                Hi Roy,

                                 

                                I think it is a bug that it does not work when View Transitions are turned off. I am going to have the developer who implemented this enhancement investigate why it is not working when transitions are off. Stay tuned...

                                 

                                Thanks,

                                Jim

                                  • Re: 2010 Normal to command
                                    Jim Wilkinson

                                    Hi Roy,

                                     

                                    This problem has been addressed in the development code for SolidWorks 2010 SP3 (due for release mid to late April assuming all testing and production goes well). It is also listed as SPR#531110 with a status of implemented in SolidWorks 2010 SP3 if you look it up in the SolidWorks Knowledge Base in the customer portal.

                                     

                                    Thanks,

                                    Jimj

                                      • Re: 2010 Normal to command
                                        Don Vanzile

                                        Once again Jim, thank you!

                                         

                                        One question however, I noticed that SP3, if it is released even by mid April, is taking unually long to be released (just over 3 months).  Is there any light you can shed on this or is SP3 covering more SPR's than usual?

                                         

                                        Thanks,

                                        Don

                                          • Re: 2010 Normal to command
                                            Jim Wilkinson

                                            Hi Don,

                                             

                                            I am not sure of the exact details, but my guess is it was scheduled for this time because of the timing of SolidWorks 2011 development. We just came out of a development period for SolidWorks 2011 so there are more developers freed up now to work on service pack SPRs.

                                             

                                            Thanks,

                                            Jim

                              • Re: 2010 Normal to command
                                Dwight Livingston

                                4140 wrote:

                                 

                                extract from the help file

                                 

                                1. From an open model or 3D sketch, with nothing selected, press the spacebar.

                                2. From the

                                 

                                Orientation dialog box, double-click Normal To .

                                The model aligns with the rotated coordinate system

                                 

                                does not work for me apart from in a 2D sketch.

                                Is this going to be a graphics card issue?

                                or is there a setting I'm missing?


                                When I try this, the view orientation changes to the nearest orthogonal view. If the view is already orthogonal, then it flips 180 degrees. So if say I open a new part and do it first thing, without selecting anything first, the view orientation changes to front view.

                                 

                                I couldn't find in help where it says that "normal TO: is supposed to function this way, but it does what you describe.

                                 

                                Dwight

                                  • Re: 2010 Normal to command
                                    Chris Dolejska


                                    ""When I try this, the view orientation changes to the nearest orthogonal view. If the view is already orthogonal, then it flips 180 degrees. So if say I open a new part and do it first thing, without selecting anything first, the view orientation changes to front view.""

                                     

                                    confirm, this is the exact activity I'm getting with 2010, only add, if a sketch or face is selected it goes to that.

                                    • Re: 2010 Normal to command
                                      Jim Wilkinson

                                      Hi Dwight,

                                       

                                      This is documented here in the 2010 What's New, here in the regular help, and I also mentioned it in my recent blog post: How do I manipulate my model view; let me count the ways

                                       

                                      The two help topics listed above are the 1st and 5th hits in the search results when searching for "normal to" in the help. Here is the resulting search page:

                                      http://help.solidworks.com/Search.aspx?query=normal%20to&version=2010&lang=English&prod=SolidWorks

                                       

                                      It is also referenced in a note within this help topic in the help.

                                       

                                      Just curious how you were looking for it in the help so we can potentially improve the help in general so things are more easily found.

                                       

                                      Thanks,

                                      Jim

                                        • Re: 2010 Normal to command
                                          Dwight Livingston

                                          Jim

                                           

                                          Sorry to take a little while getting back to you. I'm only using 2010 at home, and I wanted to check to see if what I remembered was realyy the case.

                                           

                                          I searched for "orientation" and the first choice took me to "SolidWorks Fundamentals / Display /  Manipulating Views / View Orientation." That entry includes a section called "Viewing Models Normal To" which only describes how to preselect and get a view normal to the selection. The description also looked complete, so I didn't look further.

                                           

                                          For my money, I'm leary of search-based help. That's probably because I particurlarly dislike the MS Office help, which seems to me so disfunctional. SW help is much, much better, of course, and always seemed to me to be very good. I much prefer, though, a heirarchical help file with an extensive index. The heirarchy helps assure that topics are not covered more than once, which seems to me to be the problem in this case. Like the sin of double dimensions on a drawing and the risk having conflicting dimensions, where topics are covered more than once in help it is hard to keep things in agreement.

                                           

                                          Anyway hope this helps.

                                           

                                          Dwight

                                            • Re: 2010 Normal to command
                                              Jim Wilkinson

                                              Hi Dwight,

                                               

                                              Actually, the new functionality is in fact mentioned in that topic that you were looking at. If you look at the second "tip" (with the little light bulb) is says "You can also use Normal To to orient a model or 3D sketch with XYZ coordinates" which is a hyperlink to a description of the new functionality. We try not to make help topics extraordinarily long, hence why this is linked out to a separate topic. This also makes it so we can list it separately in a hierarchical nature (it is listed as the next topic in the table of contents). Finally, it makes it so we can re-use the topic in the What's New which allows for consistency and saves time in writing (so we can spend more time improving the overall content of the help).


                                              The problem with an index is it is very, very hard to set up in the first place and very difficult to maintain. It also becomes limited to the terminology used in the index. So, if you are thinking of a term and we haven't used it in the index, you are kind of at a dead end. One of the nice things about the search we have implemented is it supports synonyms so if you search for a certain term and there are known synonyms for it, it automatically also searches for those terms.

                                               

                                              Anyway, I just thought I'd give you a bit of background on one advantage of the search based approach. There are many more advantages and I hope you find it to be better once you start using it a bit more.

                                               

                                              Thanks,
                                              Jim

                                               

                                              Thanks,

                                              Jim

                                          • Re: 2010 Normal to command
                                            Roy Potter

                                            Then you probably have 'view transitions' turned on in the system properties.

                                            If you have try turning it off.

                                            I've now turned mine on and set to fast.