I'm new to Solidworks Visualize, and I'm about due for a new computer. What specs would y'all recommend for best performance?
for running Visualize very well, the GPU choice is the most important factor. If you are running SWX as well, the a certified GPU from NVidia will be the best choice. If you only run Visualize, than a NVidia GeForce will do - although not certified.
Visualize will offer hybrid rendering, the denoise feature and support for the newest NVidia RTX render cores, while AMD doesn't. So at this time I will *only* recommend a NVidia GPU from the RTX series. Be aware of the fact, that support for the most recent GPUs (RTX 3070/3080/3090) will be availble with SWX2021SP3.
There should be enough RAM in your PC as well as on the GPU, because the absolute minimum for the denoiser is 4GB on the GPU.
CPU doesn't matter that much, because the GPU renders 10 times faster than a modern CPU. So save your money here and go for a standard 4/6 core CPU. If you want to speed up the renderer further, you can add some mor GPUs! (Search for the thread "what's your render rig")
RAM should be 16 or 32 GB.
Thank you for your suggestion! I am also running SW2021 as well. My current setup is:
Dell Precision Tower 3620
Intel Xeon CPU 4 core
NVIDIA Quadro P4000
I'll also be sure to check out the thread you recommended.
You'll find a lot of PCs wich have some more GPUs inside. Mainly the fastest they can get...
Collegues of mine testet GPUs against each other and combinations as well a few time ago and found:
If your want a reasonably priced solution, you go better for a solution of 2 RTX4000 instead of one RTX5000/6000/RTX8000.. It will be faster and cheaper!
A RTX4000 delivers 6 GigaRays/sec and 7.1 TFlops for around 900 bucks. With 2xRTX4000 12 GR/s and 14.2 TF for under 2 k.
A RTX6000 delivers 10 GigaRays/sec and 16.3 TFlops for 4000 bucks!
But you will need this performance only when you render animations with Visualize Prof. or pretty large pictures.
I use a one year old entry-level GeForce RTX 2060 Super in my private "workstation". It works significantly faster than my Quadro P4200 in my CAD workstation.
Will Schroeder wrote: Thank you for your suggestion! I am also running SW2021 as well. My current setup is:Dell Precision Tower 3620Intel Xeon CPU 4 core32GB RamNVIDIA Quadro P4000360GB SSD I'll also be sure to check out the thread you recommended.
Will Schroeder wrote:
I haven't kept up, but the AMD Ryzen, according to a coworker, is a much better deal for the performance. If you are going with Intel, there is zero benefit for the extra cost for the Xeon. Clockspeed single thread is king with SW. Go with the highest clock speed for the cost (but RAM is much more important, so don't skimp on that).
Also, keep an eye on refurbished dell workstations. You can find great deals on them. In light of what Heiko posted this may not be the ideal PC for you, but it'll give you an idea of what you can get for the money at the dell outlet:
Dell Precision 3620 Tower | Dell Refurbished
Another option is to build it yourself. You may even be able to beat the above refurbished prices.
I think you're fine with the set-up you have for now, but Heiko's the man for these kind of questions so whatever he says, he knows better then me, as I've never really used Visualize.
I work for a state agency, so the sky isn't the limit, but i've got a few thousand to play with.
So you added a computer to your heatsink?
Hey Heiko, how much of a boost do you get going from something like the P2200 to the new RTX? Reason I'm asking:
ThinkStation P520 | High Performance 3D Animation Workstation | Lenovo | Lenovo US Outlet Store
The thing about PC's is that if you spend $3000 now, you have spent your budget for a while. There's sometimes an argument to spend $1500 and then in two years you spend $1500 and you end up with a computer 2 years from now that's much superior to a current $3000 computer...Of course I'm working on a $3k computer I got 7 years ago and I see no need to upgrade (lenovo P600)...But then again, I'm not using Visualize.
The RTX4000 is twice as fast when you count TFlops only. But there is better support for te denoiser as well as support trough the render cores. So maybe 5x as fast!
Because the P2200 is an inexpensive GPU, maybe you buy this used PC and swap the GPU out for a new one. But first try out Viz with the P2200. Maybe it's good enough for you to start with.
Heiko Sohnholz wrote: The RTX4000 is twice as fast when you count TFlops only. But there is better support for te denoiser as well as support trough the render cores. So maybe 5x as fast!Because the P2200 is an inexpensive GPU, maybe you buy this used PC and swap the GPU out for a new one. But first try out Viz with the P2200. Maybe it's good enough for you to start with.
Heiko Sohnholz wrote:
And just to add on to that. When you add the RTX 4000 to any configuration on Lenovo's website, they want like $1400 for it. You can find it for $900 online elsewhere.
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Alex Lachance wrote:
Just to follow up. During my lunch break I went to pcpartpicker.com and most of the Ryzen's are 65watt. While most of the current i7's appear to be 95watts. I didn't do an apples to apples comparision, but Ryzen for the money right now is superior and isn't the power hog of the past. I think you could put together a solid PC with that $900 RTX 4000 card for under $2000, without skimping on anything.
In my last year assembled private PC is a Ryzen 8-core. It's running very well and fast. A good choice for everything because it has a high single-core perfromance and when it comes to multi-core usage, even more! Mine has 105W and a big fan, similiar to that one, Alex shows.
The only drawback is, it lacks the support for ECC RAM. But mine intel i9 also - and I haven't seen any issues yet in usage with SWX.
I've just rendered out the "Camaro" example without CPU in high quality with denoiser, 1000 passes in 4k resolution.
My Quadro P4200 needs 12 min
My GeForce RTX 2060 Super only 4,5 min
So a P2200 will need around 24 min -> 5x
A P4200 has 7,6 TFlops but is an older architecture named Pascal and has no Tensor/RT cores.
The RTX 2060 Super has 8,1 TFlops but the additional Tensor/RT cores makes the difference of 2,5x !
With this said, the most important information is: Get an actual card, not the old one!
Reading your knowledge around all this is confusing, but quite interesting!
Yes, that's right. But the changes in (GPU) technology are very fast these days. And to understand, why the newest GPU is that faster, than the predecessor, you have to know a few things... Otherwise you'll going to burn your money...
Same thing in terms of foto (RAW) development. A lot of "AI" driven software tool are grown up in the last 2 years, running so much faster than before, because they are GPU-powered...
Heiko Sohnholz wrote: Yes, that's right. But the changes in (GPU) technology are very fast these days. And to understand, why the newest GPU is that faster, than the predecessor, you have to know a few things... Otherwise you'll going to burn your money... Same thing in terms of foto (RAW) development. A lot of "AI" driven software tool are grown up in the last 2 years, running so much faster than before, because they are GPU-powered...
A lot of times it is that the software is actually taking advantage of "features" that the gpu offers. I remember when I was doing some video editing, the software for a time wasn't taking advantage of the hardware, and by recoding how it worked they were able to make HUGE gains in processing capabilities. For this reason, I'd only consider Nvidia for Visualize. SW seems to closely work with Nvidia, more. For regular SW, I wouldn't be as concerned.
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