https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT6YwF7NUSk&feature=youtu.be
Video about GeForce and Quadro, from a CAD user. Not SW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT6YwF7NUSk&feature=youtu.be
Video about GeForce and Quadro, from a CAD user. Not SW.
Hi Paul,
More a general point of view. I am not saying this particular video host is one way or another. But I would say nowadays it takes all but a link to a video and a desk cam and voila you are a specialist. And since self advocates & video devices are hard to come by (being sarcastic) we are surrounded by as many specialist as there are people on this earth. And what comes with a web specialist. The impression of sound knowledge, expert experience, education, thorough un-biased analysis and error-free reporting and the most important ingredient followers.
And with that I close with proper web etiquette quoting someone smart. Syndrome and his 3 seconds of ultimate truth…." and when everyone's super. No one will be"
Elmar Klammer wrote:
Hi Paul,
More a general point of view. I am not saying this particular video host is one way or another. But I would say nowadays it takes all but a link to a video and a desk cam and voila you are a specialist. And since self advocates & video devices are hard to come by (being sarcastic) we are surrounded by as many specialist as there are people on this earth. And what comes with a web specialist. The impression of sound knowledge, expert experience, education, thorough un-biased analysis and error-free reporting and the most important ingredient followers.
And with that I close with proper web etiquette quoting someone smart. Syndrome and his 3 seconds of ultimate truth…." and when everyone's super. No one will be"
LOL!!!! Yes.. or,... "No Capes"!?
"no capes"....should have been nominated for best on-liner! Talking about online experts and followers got me thinking.
Nowadays so much focus is given on proper choice of words. And how anyone is instantly crucified if you happen to just ever so slightly present a less-trendy opinion. Anyways the everyday word "follower" got my attention. After all it's a word that probably billions of people (by now) have no problem decorating themselves with. Well I life in the German speaking country. And the fad of the last few years is to mix English and German. I guess it makes you look cool. Anyways. We like the US have a ton of followers. And that's what they call themselves. Followers. Proudly of course. So the German translation to follower is "Mitläufer". But nobody would openly call themselves that in native German tongue. See "Mitläufer" is also synonym to "Minion" which is actually a synonym to "follower"....and the circles closes. Since I would put money down that millions of followers would object to consider themselves "minion's"....
So the moral of the story is. Minion's are cool only if they look like yellow pills. If you are not yellow and oval shaped then you must be a proper follower.
Elmar Klammer wrote:
"no capes"....should have been nominated for best on-liner! Talking about online experts and followers got me thinking.
Nowadays so much focus is given on proper choice of words. And how anyone is instantly crucified if you happen to just ever so slightly present a less-trendy opinion. Anyways the everyday word "follower" got my attention. After all it's a word that probably billions of people (by now) have no problem decorating themselves with. Well I life in the German speaking country. And the fad of the last few years is to mix English and German. I guess it makes you look cool. Anyways. We like the US have a ton of followers. And that's what they call themselves. Followers. Proudly of course. So the German translation to follower is "Mitläufer". But nobody would openly call themselves that in native German tongue. See "Mitläufer" is also synonym to "Minion" which is actually a synonym to "follower"....and the circles closes. Since I would put money down that millions of followers would object to consider themselves "minion's"....
So the moral of the story is. Minion's are cool only if they look like yellow pills. If you are not yellow and oval shaped then you must be a proper follower.
Well said.. and yes, sadly.. here in the states, a minion(s) can either be enduring or as of late,.. sycophantic follower(s).. we have too many them here in the states.
BTW.. you reminded me of a similar.. "Orange Julius"... here in the states and on the west coast, probably one of the great fresh drinks of all time.. and now... it has a completely different association.
Looking Back: A Devilish Good Drink; Remembering Orange Julius | San Jose Public Library
A proper diagnostic is to test if the system (hardware and software) could perform the required task.
Not just check for a part number or description.
And some diagnostic software even fail that.
Quadros are a superset of GeForce and they are aimed at enterprise users for whom stability and longevity is very important. Quadros are built for long periods of warranty and also for technical support. This is the reason why you have several vendors providing their own cooing solutions for GeForces (ASUS, MSI, EVGA etc etc). FYI: If you're a gamer, you can game with a Quadro. It used to be the case that games didn't recognize quadros, but you have a global profile in the nVidia control panel that will make Quadros behave exactly like GeForces.
SOLIDWORKS certifies only Quadros from nVidia for RealView.
Yes, I used to soft and hard mod GeForce to Quadro.
Don't believe it can be done now but the two are a lot closer.
Game use textures, CAD need to see edges. The two cards were optimized differently before.
GeForce used slow way down in drawings back then. Even after mod to use Quadro firmware.
I don't see that in current GeForce or Intel graphic.
nVidia GTX1070 at work and Intel HD4400 on laptop.
Not saying a Quadro is not good.
Is it "required"?
Is it "worth" the price?
The video did address that.
The SW "certify".
For a certification to work, it need to keep up to date. It was failing. Hopefully its improving.
Got advised to buy Quadro P4000 in HP Z4 G4. Lot's of trouble....... for about 1000 Dollar?
Drivers are a mystery, SolidWorks RX is a joke, VAR ends up advising to buy different graphic card, might be trouble is over! Support of drivers and tests done by SolidWorks is questionable. No Dassault employee can show any test procedure or results. A big balloon of hot air, nothing more.
If it's your own money, the choice for Quadro becomes quit expensive, and no guarantee is given. Just keep changing drivers, update SolidWorks and introducing new troubles....
If you can start a separate thread, i'm quite interested in hearing constructive feedback and ideas for RX.
As for your question, is Quadro "required" or "worth" the price, it depends on your use case and where you're coming from. In general, I believe there has been confusion over what "certification" is and what "supported" is. If you are a hobbyist or a student or need to buy a GeForce for financial reasons, then by all means do so. If you face issues with a GeForce, you should talk to your VARs and the issue should be reported to our technical support. The fixes of such issues would be addressed based on severity. SOLIDWORKS deals with certification with close relationship with OEMs and GPU vendors for mission critical scenarios and hence the need for stability and longevity.
Siddharth Palaniappan wrote:
If you face issues with a GeForce, you should talk to your VARs and the issue should be reported to our technical support.
"Our"?
You work in Dassault?
Siddharth, as Frederick already asked, I also am very curious. Do you work for Dassault?
My VAR does not give support for GeForce Graphic cards, as they do not give support for Quadro cards.
Keeping me from doing my job, exchanging driver versions multiple times, no improvement to be seen, 4 hours of my time gone. Trial and error has been policy for hardware for many years. Microsoft followed with Windows 10 to put full trial and error in users environment. Now Dassault have seen this, and want to follow the big example?
My VAR does not give support for GeForce Graphic cards, as they do not give support for Quadro cards.
I'm guessing you're saying that your VAR informed that they support only Quadro cards here? If so, please ask your VAR to contact tech support with GeForce issues too.
Let me be clear here: while we are interested in knowing issues with GeForce cards and we will do our best towards the issues, we cannot guarantee any driver fixes. We do not work with OEMs in gaming industry as our software is not gaming related. We don't dictate to you whether you should install an OEM driver or GPU vendor(nVidia/AMD) driver. That's your decision to make. We do not certify realview mode for GeForce cards, but the expectation is everything else should work on a GeForce. Please post in a separate thread the issues you face and the GPU model.
One thing I saw in the comments to the video is that Inventor is DirectX. I believe that SW is still on OpenGL. So There is a difference between how the software use the cards.
Yes, it does.
IV had all the graphic problems with OpenGL like SW.
They rewrite the whole thing to use DirectX.
...and opengl is not going anywhere.. it's too well established...
(maybe start another what if thread about .. OpenGL vs. DirectX, Vulcan, Metal... api's?)
,.. if I really wanted/needed a Quadro... I'd just go on eBay and find a used one or two or three for the price of a new one...otherwise.. personally, I'd first search for a used 2080 RTX GeForce (or Ti).
There really is no difference in performance or capability between DirectX and OpenGL. Vulkan is a whole different topic.
Siddharth Palaniappan wrote:
There really is no difference in performance or capability between DirectX and OpenGL. Vulkan is a whole different topic.
Only If SW use the latest OpenGL.
SW just moved to OpenGL 4.5 in 2019. As a Beta feature.
2020 got it out of Beta but still buggy.
Lots of users were told to turn it off.
Well I'm "lucky" to have no problem with GTX1070.
OpenGL 4.5 released in 2014.
OpenGL 4.6 released in 2017.
DirectX 12 lastest update 2019.
Thats right! We announced the renderpipeline which is a multi-year initiative at SOLIDWORKS world. Its a complete rendering engine replacement, so please communicate with us what you like and what went wrong for you.
Found this on my search:
DesignWorks | NVIDIA Developer
Accelerate Windows Remote Desktop
Game developers and content creators all over the world are working from home and asking us to help them use Windows Remote Desktop streaming with the tools they use.
We've created a special tool for GeForce GPUs to accelerate Windows Remote Desktop streaming with GeForce drivers R440 or later.Download and launch the executable as administrator on the Windows Desktop where your OpenGL application will run. A dialog will confirm that OpenGL acceleration is enabled and if a reboot is required.
When can we expect the next update of OpenGL, and what will it be like? - Quora
The next OpenGL will probably be named OpenGL 4.7 and will once again be a very minor release with few major changes.
Past version 4.4, Khronos merely incorporated a few extensions into the core profile in order to achieve feature parity with Vulkan. The notable inclusion was SPIR-V which made its way into version 4.6.
OpenGL is gradually falling out of use and companies such as Apple have already marked it as ‘deprecated’ and unsupported. The industry is also moving towards Vulkan which offers better low level control and is far more flexible, modern and lacks much of the legacy stuff that still plagues OpenGL (especially the immediate mode which some people still stubbornly use). Pretty much all non DirectX triple-A games use Vulkan and most developers are already switching.
Apple and Microsoft support their own graphics APIs for business reasons as they have invested billions into their vision. Ideally, I would have loved if everyone supported OpenGL and/or Vulkan but we don't live in an idealistic world. That being said, OpenGL is not going anywhere and will be supported for decades to come. One important thing to remember is that if you're already GPU bound with OpenGL, moving to vulkan brings no value to customers, in terms of performance.
Also most games use either Unity of Unreal Engine (apart from a few other names that comes to mind) which support all the graphics APIs either way.
...let the flood of every quadro user defend their ego justification, existence, features and cost... begin.... or become a mental melt down and purge?