18 Replies Latest reply on May 8, 2009 12:43 PM by Eddie Cyganik

    Detail Reference, A-A deleted but next one is B-B

    Chris Challinor
      Why wont the reference letter go back to the previous letter. As an example, I make a section view that is referenced as A-A, then delete it.......make a new one it is B-B, why? A-A is gone so why not start back at A-A instead of me having to go back and change the new one to A-A.

      Same kind of thing in assemblies, add a part, delete it.....add it again later but the reference count now has 1,2,3,8,22,56,57,58..

      Little annoyances, but what a pain to have to go back and fix
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          I sent this one to SW a little bit ago, it is working as expected.

          Here is my enhancement request info

          Reference Number: 195536
          Date and Time: 2/12/2009 3:33:00 PM

          Problem: "When you delete a section or detail view; the lettering scheme skip that letter on future created section or detail view."

          Solution Ideas: "I see the point on why it does not reorder the labels
          but would be even better if there was a reset button to start the section labels where you left off. There will be a lot less editing and less chance of an error on the drawing"

          Frank
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            Eddie Cyganik

            RMB on drawing Sheet and select Properties, then reset "Next view label". (upper right)
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              Chris Challinor
              I right click the drawing sheet and change it in properties, but yeah a reset button (or reorder) would be awesome......SW take note of this please!!!!
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                Steve Ostrovsky
                This has been the way it's worked since I can remember - having to edit the Sheet Properties and fix the next letter.

                What should the software do in the case where you delete View C-C and it's in the middle of a sequence - hence the next view will be labeled F-F. Should the software be smart enough to roll all the others back and make the next letter E-E or simply ignore it?
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                  Chris Challinor
                  Auto reorder, hence the reorder button. Same a part count in assemblies...........

                  Frank I voted for your request, thanks
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                    Chris Challinor
                    If the drawing is brand new then reorder is really needed !!!

                    All revisions to that drawing do not need a reorder and would have notes in the revision table stating "delete section view ?-?".....blah blah blah

                    Green Eggs and Ham is better reading IMHO
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                      Josh Brady

                      Chris Challinor wrote:

                       

                      Same kind of thing in assemblies, add a part, delete it.....add it again later but the reference count now has 1,2,3,8,22,56,57,58..



                      Little annoyances, but what a pain to have to go back and fix

                      I don't see why one would "go back and fix" this one. Those numbers are not a "count". It's a number to identify a particular instance of the component. The fact that they are sequential and happen to start at "1" is purely coincidence/covenience. No intended functionality of the program would change if the identifier were a unique string of random characters. Do you actually use that number for something?
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                          Chris Challinor

                          Josh Brady wrote:

                           

                          I don't see why one would "go back and fix" this one. Those numbers are not a "count". It's a number to identify a particular instance of the component. The fact that they are sequential and happen to start at "1" is purely coincidence/covenience. No intended functionality of the program would change if the identifier were a unique string of random characters. Do you actually use that number for something?

                          When I have not done an assembly drawing for a product with a BOM and the boss comes by and asks how many screws are we going to need it would be a lot easier just to see the correct number and not have to count them manually. Then the boss asks why are all the numbers wrong in SW, he wonders if the program is worth the money when it looks like it is giving out bad information.

                          To me it is "common sense" (as if this even exists any more) to have 20 screws on the assembly and the number of "instances" is the same. If an instance is removed then it is no longer there, so why does it make sense to count something that no longer exists.

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                          Steve Ostrovsky
                          I agree that it SHOULD NOT auto reorder. I just wanted to throw the question out. I would hope that this has been enhance requested enough (maybe a few drops of Cialis might be in order), but I will put in an ER for the Next View Label setting to be updated properly when the last view is deleted. I don't see how SolidWorks could even attempt to control any more than that.

                          I guess that the Next Datum Label should be handled the same way?

                          Then we also need to have the setting that controls which side of the bread the butter is on. We don't want to eat our bread butter side down, right? (If we're making Dr. Seuss tributes)
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                              Chris Challinor

                              Steve Ostrovsky wrote:

                               

                              I agree that it SHOULD NOT auto reorder. I just wanted to throw the question out. I would hope that this has been enhance requested enough (maybe a few drops of Cialis might be in order), but I will put in an ER for the Next View Label setting to be updated properly when the last view is deleted. I don't see how SolidWorks could even attempt to control any more than that.

                              I guess that the Next Datum Label should be handled the same way?

                              Then we also need to have the setting that controls which side of the bread the butter is on. We don't want to eat our bread butter side down, right? (If we're making Dr. Seuss tributes)

                              Yes, not automatic, Reorder button is better. Auto on last used would be nice though.

                              your a mean one Mr Grinch
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                              Dale Dunn
                              My opinion is that it should keep track of the next available designation in the sequence. If you have A, B, C and D, then delete C, the next named view should be C, not E. The same should happen with datums, and the option should exist for BOM items. Some organizations have to keep the number for deleted items, but other organizations don't allow gaps in the numbering. So it would be nice to have this handled automagically, if required

                              I'm OK with gaps in the view label sequence, but I can see how those working on an unreleased drawing (or who don't track view labels in revisions) might like to reorder them to keep things tidy. But I think that's a small thing, and Eddie's point is valid for most people. If I did vote for the reorder enhancement, I'd give it a mighty low priority.

                              So, my vote is to change the behavior to "next available" instead of "the one after last used".