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Join Feature messed up. No Repair?

Question asked by Rob Edwards on Jul 25, 2019
Latest reply on Jul 25, 2019 by David Matula

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In early today to beat the heat.. and noise.

SW has been misbehavin this week, big problem with a joined part jumping references to a completely different file.

No way to edit or repair. Absolute killer. Happened twice now. Once just randomly and once with a Pack'n'Go.

VAR can't help. Mentioned that's there's some SPR about Join. Same thing happened to a Cavity.

The file thinks it's in context, but the feature is out of context and editing in context jumps to a completely different sub-assembly.

Just happens to one of three similar subs.. that were all spawned from the same master sub using Pack and Go. Somehow something is majorly messed up with this workflow.

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Rob Edwards Jul 25, 2019 1:35 AM
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This picture shows a bit clearer how messed up it is.
Was working fine for 4 days.. then it just jumped
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- Frederick Law @ Rob Edwards on Jul 25, 2019 8:20 AM
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  You have same file name in other folders?
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  - Rob Edwards @ Frederick Law on Jul 25, 2019 8:30 AM
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    Frederick Law wrote:
    
    You have same file name in other folders?
    No all the files are in same folder.
    Here's my Assembly Structure
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    - Frederick Law @ Rob Edwards on Jul 25, 2019 8:41 AM
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      Same file names for another project in another folder?
      You just Pack n Go to another folder?
      Or you change file names with Pack n Go for each project?
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      - Rob Edwards @ Frederick Law on Jul 25, 2019 8:46 AM
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        Frederick Law wrote:
        
        Same file names for another project in another folder?
        I generally back up to a new folder every morning. I name the folder with the date, but then leave my filenames alone. So yes there are files with same names in another folder within my development working directory.
        
        When the model is ready I need to be able to Pack and Go and prepend a unique name to the Files for this design setup... and then again for unique job numbers produced.
        
        Hope that makes sense.
        
        In this case I modelled a particular design geometry and then PnG'd to my 3 subs changing the names of everything. The machine setups, profiles etc. which are common to the project aren't copied..
        My guess is there is some artefact in the problem file, that causes this cluster****
        
        The VAR suggested doing an install repair
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        John Stoltzfus @ Rob Edwards on Jul 25, 2019 8:52 AM
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        Rob Edwards -
        
        Pack & Go should be saved in a completely different drive, here I save all my PG files on my local computer and then transfer them to my working directory. I would suspect that is your issue, but you need to try it, to make sure.
        
        In the past I had a boat load of P&G issues, since I do it that way, those issues have disappeared.
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        Frederick Law @ John Stoltzfus on Jul 25, 2019 9:04 AM
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        SW still could find the files in another drive.
        Go to System Options -> File Locations -> Search Paths
        You can't change them. SW pick it up from Windows.
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        Rob Edwards @ John Stoltzfus on Jul 25, 2019 9:07 AM
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        John Stoltzfus wrote:
        
        Pack & Go should be saved in a completely different drive, here I save all my PG files on my local computer and then transfer them to my working directory. I would suspect that is your issue, but you need to try it, to make sure.
        
        In the past I had a boat load of P&G issues, since I do it that way, those issues have disappeared.
        Wow.. that's insane! I'll start saving backups to a completely different drive straight away.
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        Frederick Law @ Rob Edwards on Jul 25, 2019 8:59 AM
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        Same file name cause lots of problems in SW. Or other CAD software.
        Put them in different folder is not enough to isolate them.
        SW will pick the wrong file in different folder and reference them.
        
        A very simple case.
        You open file in one project. Close the file and open another project, assemble or part.
        The current project will now reference the file in the other project.
        Close all those and open another project.
        You now have 3 projects which reference each other.
        
        I think PnG can add prefix to folder and filename. Use that to get unique names.
        I usually do that manually. Copy to another folder and change job number in the filename.
        
        I just found out. When I have a Master Sketch in a Master Assembly referencing another part/assembly, changing the Master Assembly file name will cause all reference lost.
        The only way to prevent that is use SW Explorer to rename the file.
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        John Stoltzfus @ Frederick Law on Jul 25, 2019 9:03 AM
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        Frederick Law - Good points ....
        
        Rob, I did forget to mention that anytime you use P&G you will have best results using the Select/Replace button in P&G and then change the file name...
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        Rob Edwards @ Frederick Law on Jul 25, 2019 9:13 AM
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        Frederick Law wrote:
        
        Same file name cause lots of problems in SW. Or other CAD software.
        Put them in different folder is not enough to isolate them.
        SW will pick the wrong file in different folder and reference them.
        
        A very simple case.
        You open file in one project. Close the file and open another project, assemble or part.
        The current project will now reference the file in the other project.
        Close all those and open another project.
        You now have 3 projects which reference each other.
        
        I think PnG can add prefix to folder and filename. Use that to get unique names.
        I usually do that manually. Copy to another folder and change job number in the filename.
        
        I just found out. When I have a Master Sketch in a Master Assembly referencing another part/assembly, changing the Master Assembly file name will cause all reference lost.
        The only way to prevent that is use SW Explorer to rename the file.
        Its erroneously referencing a differently named file in the same folder
        
        We tried SW Explorer.. it's just not tennable to manually rename all the files. It would take hours!
        Is that really the only way?
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        Frederick Law @ Rob Edwards on Jul 25, 2019 9:24 AM
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        Don't know why it reference wrong file.
        Could be bug in SW.
        Could be side effect of same file names.
        
        That would be hours well spend.
        Once they got cross referenced, you're doomed.
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        Frederick Law @ Rob Edwards on Jul 25, 2019 9:11 AM
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        Remember I keep multiple versions of SW?
        I have Folders for each versions with same projects when I'm testing new version.
        Duplicate filenames with future version contamination.
        
        Now you know why I have daily backup on another drive which create 5 more copies of the same files.
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John Stoltzfus Jul 25, 2019 6:28 AM
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Rob Edwards

I don't use the "Join" command, but I use the "Cavity" feature once in a great while, however most of the times it comes with issues, so I only use it for temporary designs etc and then fix it by adding that feature sketch into my SSP and going from there.

It kind of sounds like there is a reference issue from the Pack & Go.... Did you check the references prior to saving the PG?
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- Rob Edwards @ John Stoltzfus on Jul 25, 2019 6:58 AM
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  Cheers John
  John Stoltzfus wrote:
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  It kind of sounds like there is a reference issue from the Pack & Go.... Did you check the references prior to saving the PG?
  I thought I checked everything.. I was being careful for sure and it was all tickety-boo for a while there.
  I always have problems with PnGo - it trashed my last project at the end there.
  
  I don't use the "Join" command, but I use the "Cavity" feature once in a great while, however most of the times it comes with issues, so I only use it for temporary designs etc and then fix it by adding that feature sketch into my SSP and going from there.
  Yep I mostly used Join for it's convenience, shame it's not stable for me.
  I'm going to remodel and try a part in part technique,, Ive got an idea I want to tryout,,
  I'm feeling confident but I wonder what I'll run into this time ;?
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  - John Stoltzfus @ Rob Edwards on Jul 25, 2019 8:26 AM
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    Rob Edwards
    
    This brings up a PG question..
    
    When you use PG, where do you save?
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  - Dennis Dohogne @ Rob Edwards on Jul 25, 2019 7:09 AM
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    Rob Edwards wrote:
    
    Cheers John
    John Stoltzfus wrote:
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    It kind of sounds like there is a reference issue from the Pack & Go.... Did you check the references prior to saving the PG?
    I thought I checked everything.. I was being careful for sure and it was all tickety-boo for a while there.
    I always have problems with PnGo - it trashed my last project at the end there.
    
    I don't use the "Join" command, but I use the "Cavity" feature once in a great while, however most of the times it comes with issues, so I only use it for temporary designs etc and then fix it by adding that feature sketch into my SSP and going from there.
    Yep I mostly used Join for it's convenience, shame it's not stable for me.
    I'm going to remodel and try a part in part technique,, I've got an idea I want to tryout,,
    I'm feeling confident but I wonder what I'll run into this time ;?
    Rob, please help me out here. What does "tickety-boo" mean?
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    - John Stoltzfus @ Dennis Dohogne on Jul 25, 2019 7:11 AM
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David Matula Jul 25, 2019 9:43 AM
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have you thought of getting rid of the assembly and changing it to a part? The use of weldments comes to mind to make this assembly. If it came across my desk, and someone said use this to make this. It would be a lot faster to me to turn it into a weldment even if I had to make all my own weld profiles. The trim and extend, work better than cavity and or join. that I just learned about last year and still don't know why we use them.
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- Rob Edwards @ David Matula on Jul 25, 2019 10:38 AM
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  David Matula wrote:
  
  have you thought of getting rid of the assembly and changing it to a part? The use of weldments comes to mind to make this assembly. If it came across my desk, and someone said use this to make this. It would be a lot faster to me to turn it into a weldment even if I had to make all my own weld profiles. The trim and extend, work better than cavity and or join. that I just learned about last year and still don't know why we use them.
  
  Hi David
  I've been using weldments and they're great BUT one of the requirements I have is to apply the wood texture in the correct orientation.
  I have not been able to find a way to do this with a parametric multibody part. I have the idea lodged in my head ready for the TTL next time around.
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David Matula Jul 25, 2019 1:45 PM
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that should just be a matter of adding the material to a body.... I like the challenges that you can come up with. Keep up the good work and let me know how it turns out.
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