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Up to next hole, going past next.

Question asked by Matt Juric on Jul 15, 2019
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Attached is a simple part with two oddities.

1) The hole pictured is "Up to next", but it did not stop at next and formed a flat on the opposite side. This is weird for two reasons. First why did it not stop at the next object which would be the face and then why is it showing a flat bottom instead of a drill point if it's actually going to the opposite side? Up to surface works properly but then calls a depth out on the drawing. Up to next is the only option that says "thru" on the drawing. Not a big deal to change any of the callouts just an oddity if I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong.

2) I have an advanced hole on another surface. The hole works fine. However if I pick the point in the sketch and constrain it horizontally to the mid point of the line next to it, it adds another hole.

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Constrained to the mid point of the line

Jim Sculley Jul 15, 2019 3:41 PM

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For problem #1, you can make the part behave by making the slit cut a separate feature and putting it after the hole wizard hole.

The hole wizard has some sort of bug that is causing problems. Strange thing is that the hole wizard sketch gets the depth correct, but then something comes along and mucks it up:

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Dan Eldred Jul 15, 2019 2:59 PM

Try using "Up to Surface" instead and click on the large hole's wall. It seems that "Up to Next" is seeing the edges of the gap as then "next" geometry the hole would interact with.

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Matt Juric Jul 15, 2019 3:22 PM

I saw that "Up to Surface" works but then on the drawing it gives a depth, not "Thru". Not a big deal if it comes to that to change it on the drawing.

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Dan Eldred @ Matt Juric on Jul 15, 2019 3:30 PM

I just noticed that Up to Surface leaves a little ledge as the cone of the cut doesn't pass all the way though the surface. So using Up to Vertex and selecting the origin or center point of the hole leaves clean geometry.

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Matt Juric @ Dan Eldred on Jul 15, 2019 3:36 PM

Any of the other ones work but up to next was the only one that called out thru. I'll just have to manually change the depth call out.

Thanks

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Jim Sculley @ Matt Juric on Jul 15, 2019 3:41 PM

For problem #1, you can make the part behave by making the slit cut a separate feature and putting it after the hole wizard hole.

The hole wizard has some sort of bug that is causing problems. Strange thing is that the hole wizard sketch gets the depth correct, but then something comes along and mucks it up:

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Glenn Schroeder Jul 15, 2019 3:22 PM

As Dan Eldred said, selecting "Up to Surface" works fine for #1. For #2, when I deleted the .313 dimension and added a horizontal relation between the midpoint of the edge and the sketch point I got the same result you did, so I tried something else. I edited the sketch again, deleted that relation, then added a horizontal construction line, with one end coincident with the sketch point and the other end coincident with the midpoint of the edge. That worked fine.

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Matt Juric @ Glenn Schroeder on Jul 15, 2019 3:35 PM

That's interesting. I tried the construction line before I posted this and got the same result. It seemed any time I picked the midpoint of the line it added another hole. I'll try it again.

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Kevin Chandler Jul 15, 2019 3:45 PM

Hello,

For #1, it's travelling to the far centered edge (which isn't there), thereby making a pocket.

If you add another hole to the same HW, but off center so that the sketch corner doesn't land in the slot, then that hole will be correct.

Another thing, if you put the HW hole before the slot, the on-center hole behaves as expected.

For some reason, when the material is gone, "next" is the imagined far edge of center.

Perhaps this needs to be passed to your VAR for an SW remedy.

Kevin

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Matt Juric @ Kevin Chandler on Jul 15, 2019 3:51 PM

I did as you suggested. Pulled the slot from the original extrusion and added it after the the hole. Works. Thanks.

I'll pass it along to my VAR when I get a chance.

Thanks again.

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Kevin Chandler @ Matt Juric on Jul 15, 2019 3:59 PM

Matt Juric wrote:

I did as you suggested. Pulled the slot from the original extrusion and added it after the the hole. Works. Thanks.

I'll pass it along to my VAR when I get a chance.

Thanks again.

I'm glad it worked out for you, but first credit for slotting afterwards goes to Mr. Sculley.

And if his reply has satisfied your post, please mark his as correct so future searchers can readily see the remedy.

Thank you,

Kevin C.

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Dan Eldred Jul 15, 2019 2:59 PM
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Try using "Up to Surface" instead and click on the large hole's wall. It seems that "Up to Next" is seeing the edges of the gap as then "next" geometry the hole would interact with.
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Matt Juric Jul 15, 2019 3:22 PM
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I saw that "Up to Surface" works but then on the drawing it gives a depth, not "Thru". Not a big deal if it comes to that to change it on the drawing.
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- Dan Eldred @ Matt Juric on Jul 15, 2019 3:30 PM
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  I just noticed that Up to Surface leaves a little ledge as the cone of the cut doesn't pass all the way though the surface. So using Up to Vertex and selecting the origin or center point of the hole leaves clean geometry.
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  - Matt Juric @ Dan Eldred on Jul 15, 2019 3:36 PM
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    Any of the other ones work but up to next was the only one that called out thru. I'll just have to manually change the depth call out.
    
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- Jim Sculley @ Matt Juric on Jul 15, 2019 3:41 PM
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  For problem #1, you can make the part behave by making the slit cut a separate feature and putting it after the hole wizard hole.
  
  The hole wizard has some sort of bug that is causing problems. Strange thing is that the hole wizard sketch gets the depth correct, but then something comes along and mucks it up:
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Glenn Schroeder Jul 15, 2019 3:22 PM
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As Dan Eldred said, selecting "Up to Surface" works fine for #1. For #2, when I deleted the .313 dimension and added a horizontal relation between the midpoint of the edge and the sketch point I got the same result you did, so I tried something else. I edited the sketch again, deleted that relation, then added a horizontal construction line, with one end coincident with the sketch point and the other end coincident with the midpoint of the edge. That worked fine.
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- Matt Juric @ Glenn Schroeder on Jul 15, 2019 3:35 PM
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  That's interesting. I tried the construction line before I posted this and got the same result. It seemed any time I picked the midpoint of the line it added another hole. I'll try it again.
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Kevin Chandler Jul 15, 2019 3:45 PM
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Hello,

For #1, it's travelling to the far centered edge (which isn't there), thereby making a pocket.
If you add another hole to the same HW, but off center so that the sketch corner doesn't land in the slot, then that hole will be correct.
Another thing, if you put the HW hole before the slot, the on-center hole behaves as expected.
For some reason, when the material is gone, "next" is the imagined far edge of center.

Perhaps this needs to be passed to your VAR for an SW remedy.

Kevin
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- Matt Juric @ Kevin Chandler on Jul 15, 2019 3:51 PM
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  I did as you suggested. Pulled the slot from the original extrusion and added it after the the hole. Works. Thanks.
  
  I'll pass it along to my VAR when I get a chance.
  
  Thanks again.
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  - Kevin Chandler @ Matt Juric on Jul 15, 2019 3:59 PM
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    Matt Juric wrote:
    
    I did as you suggested. Pulled the slot from the original extrusion and added it after the the hole. Works. Thanks.
    
    I'll pass it along to my VAR when I get a chance.
    
    Thanks again.
    I'm glad it worked out for you, but first credit for slotting afterwards goes to Mr. Sculley.
    And if his reply has satisfied your post, please mark his as correct so future searchers can readily see the remedy.
    
    Thank you,
    
    Kevin C.
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