10 Replies Latest reply on Jan 23, 2019 6:59 PM by William Radigan

    MBD - Testing - 30 Day Trial started today - MBD Tips Anybody??

    John Stoltzfus

      Today I recieved our 30 trial license code to try out the MBD.  It is simple enough, but it will take a little finessing on our end to get it off the ground.  I am hoping to be able to launch MBD by mid 2019, however a lot of stuff needs to be in place prior to that.

       

      For people using MBD, do you have any tips/tricks.  From what I've seen in just a little bit of messing around is the difficulty to apply the dimensions.  That for me will be my biggest challenge, only because of our workflow and the need for training.  Surely the drawing time will be cut in half, if not more and the guys in the shop will be able to see what they are building and why the part is designed a certain way, which will give them a really good visual of the important design intent.  Furniture manufacturing is a lot different then General Fabrication or Machinery building, because of the expansion and contraction, based on excessive or lack of moisture, having a clear view of the assembly the guys can take the best approach when building the pc of furniture.

       

      Who is using MBD?

       

      What are the biggest Challenges?

       

      Any Tips / Tricks?

        • Re: MBD - Testing - 30 Day Trial started today - MBD Tips Anybody??
          Deepak Gupta

          First of all I would suggest to utilize the training (free at the moment) on MySolidWorks.com as that would give you a very good idea on how to proceed further.

           

          The biggest challenge is to convenience the people who are addicted to 2d drawings. You need to tell that with MBD their work would become easier and MBD would give them more power rather than taking anything away. Further start it with a small team (may be 1-2 persons) and make them advocate for MBD. I would also suggest to find one key person from various departments (like design, quality and manufacturing) and have open discussions with them talking about pros and cons. And once they start getting a better understanding of how MBD can help them improve, spread it to other levels within your organization and your vendors as well.

            • Re: MBD - Testing - 30 Day Trial started today - MBD Tips Anybody??
              John Stoltzfus

              Deepak Gupta - The MBD, like everything else has a learning curve and I need to recalibrate my thinking, that's for sure.  I'm used to Multiple Sheet Drawings with everything in one document, and I'm testing different approaches to see if I can copy that structure.  Oboe Wu has given me a crash course and gave me a lot of tips and showed me different options. I am far from being ready to run with it, but I am looking forward to implementing this system hopefully by mid 2019, this hinges on the Owner to commit to the system financially. 

               

              One thing I noticed is you need to clean up and organize the Feature Tree, so the BOM's are sequential. 

               

              I've tried to take the Main Assembly and add configurations so I can suppress the different subassemblies, this works great, it's just that I need to learn how to show which dimensions where, it's all about learning...

               

              This is the way to go for our shop here, even though we just have simple components so to speak.  We already have Ipads through out the shop for our Time Clock punching and some of our Work Order Routers etc, so now all we need to do is to have our IT set up the Ipads to view the 3D pdf or eDrawings and they will be able to zoom in/out for all the detail that they need.  I didn't mess with the Notes yet, but that end looks pretty good, from what I've seen.  It's just thinking different, and making it work... 

            • Re: MBD - Testing - 30 Day Trial started today - MBD Tips Anybody??
              John Stoltzfus

              Yesterday we did a test on one of the Ipad's in the shop, took a little time to load, but it works, MBD has made it thus far.....  The next step for me is to create/update templates to capture all of our BOM's and Custom Properties, then setup a small project for "Show & Tell"..

              • Re: MBD - Testing - 30 Day Trial started today - MBD Tips Anybody??
                John Stoltzfus

                Interesting day yesterday with Mike Sabocheck reviewing our system and workflow..

                 

                Using Assemblies with MBD you do have the option of attaching files, so the last thing that we talked about was to use the MBD to view the assembly files, with the 2D PDF drawing files attached, that way the shop could see where each part goes, plus have all our, 2D drawings, cover sheet information, such as ECN, ECR, Program List BOM, Cut List BOM and all the Custom Properties that are required for that particular project. 

                So at the moment - more testing

                  • Re: MBD - Testing - 30 Day Trial started today - MBD Tips Anybody??
                    William Radigan

                    Good Morning John,

                     

                    Do you have any updates on your MBD experience?  I spent some time last year (Jan - Apr) working on a pilot project with MBD but ran into bugs that we weren't able to work around (SW2018 SP2 / SP3).  Were you able to successfully implement MBD in your shop?

                     

                    -William

                      • Re: MBD - Testing - 30 Day Trial started today - MBD Tips Anybody??
                        John Stoltzfus

                        William Radigan - Thanks for reminding me to update our MBD experience....  Based on what we have discovered we would be slightly regressing, but mostly stepping sideways and not forward.

                         

                        Our workflow is multiple drawing sheets within one file so all the updates are right there, we don't need to open a hundred drawings to make sure our changes were made.

                         

                        MBD has some neat features etc, but there is one big issue and that is this.....  SolidWorks raised the bar very high on their 2D drawing end, so when you go to using the MBD it has a clunky backwards feel.  It is nice to be able to set up a drawing template and just add a BOM into the file and it will automatically come in, however the BOM's are very difficult to maneuver etc...

                         

                        That is why one of my Top Ten Ideas were to have the ability to save out a 3D moveable view when saving the PDF files, I think if SW would take a serious look into that Idea and totally comprehend it, MBD would be a thing of the past, because then we could retain our current valuable 2D and in the same drawing have a 3D view port that you could spin and view, complete with dimensions etc....

                         

                        My gut feeling is that as long as they need to work with Adobe, there will be issues... SW needs to get on their own with this one (MBD)

                          • Re: MBD - Testing - 30 Day Trial started today - MBD Tips Anybody??
                            William Radigan

                            Thanks John, very helpful!  I agree that finding an appropriate workflow for MBD is the big problem, and I completely agree that the solution is to harmonize the MBD feature-set with core SolidWorks.

                             

                            Most of what MBD does is very familiar to SolidWorks users and many of the features (like the 3D Views toolbar and DimXpert enhancements) are 'no brainer' enhancements.  (As in "everybody would love this and be helped by it".)  Slowly integrating MBD-thinking into the mainstream seems to me to be a better way to go, rather than trying to out-do an already excellent workflow.  (My $0.02)

                      • Re: MBD - Testing - 30 Day Trial started today - MBD Tips Anybody??
                        David Matula

                        keep up the good work their John, one of these days I may get to work with that and will look back here to see what you did to get it going.