35 Replies Latest reply on Sep 5, 2018 5:33 PM by Neville Williams

    ANYBODY TRY....

    Dan Golthing

      this CAD that is about $4995 less than SWX Standard?

       

      https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/About_FreeCAD

        • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
          Dave Bear

          There ya go!

          Do all your stuff in that and then send it to your Chinese pals, they won't have pirated copies of that because it's free anyway!

           

          Dave.

          • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
            John Stoltzfus

            Dan Golthing  wrote:

             

            this CAD that is about $4995 less than SWX Standard?

             

            https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/About_FreeCAD

            The conspiracy theorist in me says, that those websites are setup by the Chinese so they can have free designs, then they can open up all your projects and have them manufactured before you can hit the market, which would even be worse than your other post...

            With "Free" there is a price, either it don't work, or there is no support, or someone is setting something with ulterior motives, if it's to good to be true..............

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              Piotr Szulta

              "there is no such a thing, as a free meal"

               

              if you don't pay witf money, you will pay with your data.

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                Steve Calvert

                There is a cost to doing business.  If you're going to be true to yourself and to your customers and sell the idea that you and your company know what they're doing and have some kind of integrity in the workplace, you'll need to show them that you don't do business with shady characters and you follow the rules. Yes, going to China isn't wrong but doing business with a company who you know is stealing your ideas or any ideas is where most of us have a problem.

                 

                I'd jump on my soapbox here but this really isn't the place to pontificate about my views...

                 

                Steve C

                  • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
                    John Stoltzfus

                    Steve Calvert  wrote:

                     

                    Yes, going to China isn't wrong

                    Ture - we have some great Chinese friends

                    • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
                      Dave Bear

                      Steve Calvert wrote:

                       

                      There is a cost to doing business. If you're going to be true to yourself and to your customers and sell the idea that you and your company know what they're doing and have some kind of integrity in the workplace, you'll need to show them that you don't do business with shady characters and you follow the rules. Yes, going to China isn't wrong but doing business with a company who you know is stealing your ideas or any ideas is where most of us have a problem.

                       

                      I'd jump on my soapbox here but this really isn't the place to pontificate about my views...

                       

                      Steve C

                       

                       

                      I just might have to steal that word and make myself sound intelligent!

                       

                      Dave.

                    • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
                      Jerome De San Nicolás

                      Hey,

                      I have try FreeCad once (just once and it was quite a time ago (2013/2014) so it may have change and I was NOT formed!!!).

                       

                      It was on Linux, from memory windows version don't have all the functions in it and where quite buggy.

                      It's quite difficult to use and not very ergonomic. But it do the job.

                      Almost nobody use this in the industry, so if you want a free software to design part to print whit a 3d printer it's great. But I don't think it's a good thing to use FreeCad in an industrial environment.

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                        James Riddell

                        I tried it within the past 6 months.  It's pretty much crap.  Caveat emptor, you get what you pay for, TANSTAAFL, etc.

                         

                        But if it is all you have, you can make do.

                        • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
                          Al Griego

                          Dan Golthing wrote:

                           

                          this CAD that is about $4995 less than SWX Standard?

                           

                          https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/About_FreeCAD

                          If you are running a business, and you cannot afford to use a proper design/modeling package, then you probably shouldn't be in business. The wiki article would be a lot more credible (and believable) if it wasn't on the company website.

                          • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
                            Jerome De San Nicolás

                            Jokes apart, I'll say that if you want to do engineering with free software, you have to switch to Linux. TANSTAAFL on Windows I guess

                             

                            You have a great Linux distrib : CAELinux you can do CAD Freecad, you have Code aster and salomé for FEA, Saturn for CFD ect...

                            But you have to be VERY strong in both It, math, software dev ect... There is no ease of use in open source software (I remember one FEA with require the user to code his own solver, to mesh by hand... !), you HAVE to modify the software to make it stuck to your need...

                            All of that make me think that a $5000 software wildly used around the world is more worth it than the open source for most of the industries.

                            But give it a look it's quite interesting (an very time consuming) !

                              • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
                                Al Griego

                                Jerome De San Nicolás wrote:

                                All of that make me think that a $5000 software wildly used around the world is more worth it than the open source for most of the industries.

                                But give it a look it's quite interesting (an very time consuming) !

                                Time consuming is okay if you are a hobbyist. However, time consuming for a business can kill you. I don't see any value in free software like this in a professional environment.

                              • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
                                Timothy Taby

                                For most businesses in the US the software costs are tax deductible anyways.

                                • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
                                  Igor Fomenko

                                  I tried it a few weeks ago, it crashed a few times within 10 minutes.

                                  There is no respectable alternative to SW now, don`t spend your time ,

                                  • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
                                    Tom Gagnon

                                    Libre Office (not! Open Office. F* Oracle. meh) does an okay job of replacing MS Office for free, until you receive client files with special formatting such as footnotes which do not come through. If creating your own documents, it works just fine. Google Docs works okay also. Caveat emptor.

                                     

                                    Many (many!) available PDF editors are affordable enough at ~10% of the value of Adobe Acrobat Professional. They are individually troublesome and varied, but do the job well enough.

                                     

                                    MS Security Essentials (in Win 7) and MS Security Center (in Win 10) are free antivirus applications. So was Avast! a decade ago. They protect reasonably as well as paid and subscribed versions of paid software produced by aging and bloated AV companies. Times change, as do risks and protections. Viruses are not the baddest or most prolific threats anymore. I recommend paying for hardware firewall and real time malware protection instead, if you insist on paying for security services.

                                     

                                    Linux is free-ish. Spend your time making it work instead of spending a tiny license fee through a PC OEM for functional Windows OS.

                                     

                                    My neighbor's wi-fi is unsecured until it isn't. I can communicate through the Internet without paying for it, at the trade-off of having no control over its availability or security.

                                     

                                    Clay is cheap. I could design stuff with that. It doesn't carry through its properties, nor even dimensions, to drawings. Play Doh would work too. Even LEGO's could relate a concept to a client. I do not consider these 'tools' ready for professional work.

                                     

                                    Crayons are fun. I can even color inside the lines. Clients somehow are not impressed. If i'm being real pretentious, I'll call them Cray-Pas.

                                     

                                    Stick in the mud is not just a term for a curmudgeon. It's a drawing tool! Draw shapes with stick, transferring impressions into the mud which holds its shape for a short time (weather permitting). Place paper onto mud, let it dry, and try FAXing that to a client.

                                     

                                    Telegraph is acceptable communication method. Who needs these telephone things?

                                     

                                    Couriers delivered messages in feudal times. If the message was bad to its recipient, they usually did not return to sender.

                                     

                                    Cuneiform tablets retain their form and content to this day. Again, clay! This time, with Stylus.

                                     

                                    Lascaux caves depict prehistoric drawings. The original poster there paid no license fees whatsoever. He or she may have had to pay for blood, inks, pigments, or such. The wall came free.

                                     

                                    Coffee cups make circular stains on paper. Who needs a circle template, or even pencils?

                                     

                                    I spat on a napkin. It failed to convey my design intent. The fabrication shop kicked me in the shin. It hurts.

                                      • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
                                        James Riddell

                                        "cray-ON" or "cran"?

                                        • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
                                          Tom Gagnon

                                          In retrospect, I failed to address the OP's question directly. This is because I do not recognize it as valid.

                                          • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
                                            John Stoltzfus

                                            Tom Gagnon - Nice - If I make a copy and send it to you, would you please autograph it....  Pin prick and two drops would be good

                                            • Re: ANYBODY TRY....
                                              Dan Golthing

                                              Tom Gagnon wrote:

                                               

                                              Libre Office (not! Open Office. F* Oracle. meh) does an okay job of replacing MS Office for free, until you receive client files with special formatting such as footnotes which do not come through. If creating your own documents, it works just fine. Google Docs works okay also. Caveat emptor.

                                               

                                              Many (many!) available PDF editors are affordable enough at ~10% of the value of Adobe Acrobat Professional. They are individually troublesome and varied, but do the job well enough.

                                               

                                              MS Security Essentials (in Win 7) and MS Security Center (in Win 10) are free antivirus applications. So was Avast! a decade ago. They protect reasonably as well as paid and subscribed versions of paid software produced by aging and bloated AV companies. Times change, as do risks and protections. Viruses are not the baddest or most prolific threats anymore. I recommend paying for hardware firewall and real time malware protection instead, if you insist on paying for security services.

                                               

                                              Linux is free-ish. Spend your time making it work instead of spending a tiny license fee through a PC OEM for functional Windows OS.

                                               

                                              My neighbor's wi-fi is unsecured until it isn't. I can communicate through the Internet without paying for it, at the trade-off of having no control over its availability or security.

                                               

                                              Clay is cheap. I could design stuff with that. It doesn't carry through its properties, nor even dimensions, to drawings. Play Doh would work too. Even LEGO's could relate a concept to a client. I do not consider these 'tools' ready for professional work.

                                               

                                              Crayons are fun. I can even color inside the lines. Clients somehow are not impressed. If i'm being real pretentious, I'll call them Cray-Pas.

                                               

                                              Stick in the mud is not just a term for a curmudgeon. It's a drawing tool! Draw shapes with stick, transferring impressions into the mud which holds its shape for a short time (weather permitting). Place paper onto mud, let it dry, and try FAXing that to a client.

                                               

                                              Telegraph is acceptable communication method. Who needs these telephone things?

                                               

                                              Couriers delivered messages in feudal times. If the message was bad to its recipient, they usually did not return to sender.

                                               

                                              Cuneiform tablets retain their form and content to this day. Again, clay! This time, with Stylus.

                                               

                                              Lascaux caves depict prehistoric drawings. The original poster there paid no license fees whatsoever. He or she may have had to pay for blood, inks, pigments, or such. The wall came free.

                                               

                                              Coffee cups make circular stains on paper. Who needs a circle template, or even pencils?

                                               

                                              I spat on a napkin. It failed to convey my design intent. The fabrication shop kicked me in the shin. It hurts.

                                              Tom, this was a wonderful exercise in fallacious argumentation.  Besides not answering the question, you also made some false assumptions and some red herring arguments.

                                               

                                              As for Adobe being a superior product, WRONG.  I have a license of Acrobat that DOES NOT WORK FOR A $#!%.  I have to use third party software to do my job.  As for badmouthing Linux, please see about two billion Android smart phones that use a Linux kernel as the foundation.  I've also seen people set up computers to run SWX on Linux and their performance was many times faster than on Windows.

                                               

                                              Not sure why you're so angry to the point of not making sense.  I work with a lot of job shops that need maybe 5% of SWX's functionality.  They rightfully feel a bit ripped off for buying 95% of what they don't need.  Your rant leads one to believe that you feel it is impossible to have a decent functioning CAD software that is free or nearly free.

                                               

                                              Yet, you probably hypocritically use DraftSight.

                                               

                                              You probably also use a host of other freeware that is excellent.  I use dozens of Windows freeware programs and HUNDREDS of free Google apps, etc etc etc.

                                               

                                              I even created free software 25 years ago at college that spread like wildfire and helped a lot of engineering students avoid monotonous thermodynamic calculations.  It worked perfect...even though it was free.

                                               

                                              So if you'll allow me to also use fallacious argumentation in honor of your post:

                                               

                                              Why drive the crappy car you drive when you could drive a Ferrari?

                                               

                                              Why marry your wife when there are supermodels?  And why have free marital relations with her when you can pay top dollar for a high-end escort?

                                               

                                              Why drink a $10 or $20 bottle of wine when there are better bottles that cost thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars?

                                               

                                              Why wear Levi's for tens of dollars when you can buy hipster jeans for hundreds?  In fact, why don't you wear a tuxedo to work?

                                               

                                              Why is your computer you're looking at right now not the best ever?  It wasn't even top-of-the-line when you bought it! 

                                               

                                              And best of all, why use a mid-range CAD system like SolidWorks when there are high-end products out there?  Even Dassault will not allow SWX to become a high-end contender because it will easily dethrone Craptia if they would fix their kernel problem, surfacing, stability, etc.

                                               

                                              My original question was valid, I was simply asking if anyone had used the software and found it to be functional.  Another application I was thinking of was for students, as I do teach some students in elementary through high school engineering.  Tom, tell me why you hate students and don't want them to learn and why do you hate small job shops that just need a minimal functionality?