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Question asked by Angela Crawford on Feb 18, 2009
Latest reply on Feb 26, 2009 by Kim Krubsack

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If I'm mating two parts and I select one face and then hide that component so that I can get to the other one, when I click the second face for the mate, the first selection is cleared out. This happens every time I hide a part during the mating process.

I haven't found a work-around and it's not a huge problem, but I just wanted to bring it to SW attention (if they are reading

). I actually wanted to submit a SR, but I can't figure out how so if anyone can help with either the mating issue or submitting an SR, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

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Mike Agan Feb 18, 2009 5:55 PM
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Instead of hiding make transparent. You may have to RMC to "select other" for the surfaces.
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Jeff Mirisola Feb 18, 2009 5:58 PM
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I guess I don't understand why you'd hide one part. Why not move one part or the other and use rotate? Or, RMB and use 'select other'.
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- Eddie Cyganik @ Jeff Mirisola on Feb 18, 2009 7:00 PM
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  Jeff, Mike & Josh,
  
  Although I do agree that there are many methods for selecting items for the purpose of mating, why is "hiding" a component unacceptable?
  
  Now if Angela were "suppressing" the component, I could see where the selection would be removed because the part is no longer in memory. However, "hiding" is supposed to be graphical only, therefore it should work and if it did, it would be just one more method to use.
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  - Jeff Mirisola @ Eddie Cyganik on Feb 18, 2009 7:06 PM
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    Ever the voice of reason, Eddie. You make a good point, a very good point.
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    - Don Vanzile @ Jeff Mirisola on Feb 18, 2009 7:14 PM
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      But if the component/s are hidden, and the software is selecting these faces in the select other, how will you know what they are to? Wouldn't it just cause more confusion?
      
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Josh Brady Feb 18, 2009 6:35 PM
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You definitely need to become adept with "Select Other". A quick tip - the "S" in Select Other is always the underlined letter in the RMB menu (if you have the popup toolbar disabled for RMB), so you can very quickly RMB and hit the "S" key to bring up Select Other. Then, any surface you RMB on with "Select Other" gets hidden from view so you can easily LMB any other surface.
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Josh Brady Feb 18, 2009 7:15 PM
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One reason not to actually hide the component would be that you then have to show it once you're done mating.

What would be the reason to want to hide an entire component during the mating process?
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- Eddie Cyganik @ Josh Brady on Feb 18, 2009 7:41 PM
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  Originally posted by: Josh Brady
  
  One reason not to actually hide the component would be that you then have to show it once you're done mating.
  
  Not necessarily. Not right away.
  
  What would be the reason to want to hide an entire component during the mating process?
  
  So that the entire component is out of the picture, allowing selection of what is underneath.
  
  Why all the questions?
  
  Angela is looking for an answer.
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Angela Crawford Feb 18, 2009 7:30 PM
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Well, I do use Select Other sometimes, but for some reason the face I want to select doesn't show up in the list sometimes (there's usually a bunch of parts "under" the mouse, so there's a huge list to scroll through). I also use Hide Component because it's quicker to RMC and click Hide Component rather than RMC, click Select Other, and scroll through the list to find the correct edge/face/point. However, Change Transparency would take the same amount of time so I will start using that when Select Other doesn't work.
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Josh Brady Feb 18, 2009 7:42 PM
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I think you're missing the power of Select Other. I never use the list. When Select Other is active, RMB on any face will "hide" that face on the screen so you can select things behind it. You can RMB on as many faces as you want until you can see the face you're interested in.
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- Wayne Tiffany @ Josh Brady on Feb 18, 2009 8:00 PM
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  But again, she is asking because it doesn't work? My thought is that the hiding is a new action that releases the previous selection set. Personally if I am putting mates into a congested area, I will pick the two parts I want to deal with and isolste just those two out. I have isolate set to I hotkey.
  
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  - Angela Crawford @ Wayne Tiffany on Feb 18, 2009 10:00 PM
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    Wayne Tiffany wrote:
    
    But again, she is asking because it doesn't work? My thought is that the hiding is a new action that releases the previous selection set. Personally if I am putting mates into a congested area, I will pick the two parts I want to deal with and isolste just those two out. I have isolate set to I hotkey.
    
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    I see what you mean about hiding something being a new action, so it kind of gets rid of whatever previous action you were in the middle of. I do sometimes isolate a couple of parts if I'm going to mate them, especially if the mating faces I need are small and in odd spots. The problem is that sometimes one of the parts I am mating is blocking the view of the other one, or at least the face I need to select.
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  - Eddie Cyganik @ Wayne Tiffany on Feb 19, 2009 2:42 PM
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    Wayne,
    
    Once again there are many ways of doing things so the question remains; "Why doesn't it work?"
    
    Like I said before, the action of "hiding" is graphical only, kind of like an interrupt command, therefore it should work.
    
    To prove my point, open an assembly and turn on your dimensioning tool, then select a face of a component. Next, RMB on the same face of the same component and choose Hide. Finally, select another surface of a different component and place the dimension.
    
    Does this work or doesn't it?
    
    I rest my case.
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    - Wayne Tiffany @ Eddie Cyganik on Feb 19, 2009 3:07 PM
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      You may rest peacefully. :-) I just tried it and sure enough, it works. I have never tried that, never thought of trying that, and might use it. I tried adding the dim as you suggested and also found that I couldn't get to Select Other. Keeps life interesting.....
      
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- Angela Crawford @ Josh Brady on Feb 18, 2009 9:56 PM
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  Josh Brady wrote:
  
  I think you're missing the power of Select Other. I never use the list. When Select Other is active, RMB on any face will "hide" that face on the screen so you can select things behind it. You can RMB on as many faces as you want until you can see the face you're interested in.
  
  WHOA!!
  
  I cannot believe I never knew that. That makes the whole "Select Other" option so much more useful!!
  
  Thank you.
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- 1-70W0UV @ Josh Brady on Feb 19, 2009 10:52 AM
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  Josh Brady wrote:
  
  I think you're missing the power of Select Other. I never use the list. When Select Other is active, RMB on any face will "hide" that face on the screen so you can select things behind it. You can RMB on as many faces as you want until you can see the face you're interested in.
  
  Hey Josh, thanks for that tip.
  
  The work around that I have been using was to RMB on the part, hide it, select the hidden face, then using the flyout FM show the part and select the second face. Using the flyout FM does not reset the face already selected.
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  - Dan Miel @ 1-70W0UV on Feb 19, 2009 1:23 PM
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    Josh
    I agree with Angela and Daniel. I have used isolate in the past but using the RMB and hiding the surfaces I think will be handier.
    Oh the wonderful things you learn by reading these forums.
    
    Dan Miel
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    - Larry Burton @ Dan Miel on Feb 20, 2009 12:43 PM
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      Isolate and Select Other should take care of all your needs, that all I use anymore!
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      - Kim Krubsack @ Larry Burton on Feb 26, 2009 6:52 PM
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        Josh,
        
        Thanks, I cannot believe that I never knew about the power of "select other". What a great great tip. I'm still stuck on SW 2005 and it even works for me in this ancient version. 4 years I've used that command and never knew a second RMB would clear the next face. Suddenly the the cloud is lifted and the command becomes much more useful.
        
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Josh Brady Feb 18, 2009 7:49 PM
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Questions get to the root of the issue, which quite often is ignorance (not necessarily bad ignorance - SW has so many facets and twists that nobody can know them all) of some aspect of the software. If someone asked you how to beat a drywall screw into a 2x4 with a hammer, would you tell them to pick up the hammer, hold the screw, etc, or would you ask why they are using a hammer instead of a power drill with a screw holding attachment?
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Josh Brady Feb 18, 2009 10:14 PM
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I had the exact same reaction when someone showed me how to do it. It certainly takes "Select Other" from "occasionally useful/occasionally frustrating" to "almost always useful".
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