7 Replies Latest reply on Mar 1, 2018 3:45 AM by Elmar Klammer

    Solidworks 2018 coordinate system mainia

    Mikael Martinsson

      We are running SW2018 SP1.0 and have found a very serious bug in the system on multiple computers.

       

      Base of our design is a customer part that is imported and saved as a Solidworks file.

      This file is the first file in an assembly so the assembly and customer part share the same origin/coordinate system.

       

      Then a new file is created inside the assembly and also based on same coordinate system.

      In this file we create something with reference to the customer part. When design is done, all files are saved.

       

      Now the magic happens.

      When the assembly is opened again, the position of the customer part has changed realtive to the origin/coordinate systems.

      And everything that has been created in reference to this file now gets f-cked up.

       

      This has happened on several computers and different files, and it is a serious bug because there is no rescue of the work that you have done.

      The only solution so far is to break all references on the part that you created before first save.

      When reopening the assembly it will still be corrupted, but the part that you created is still in correct shape and place.

       

      See an example below:

      The customer file (imported body) is still in the correct position and now we are before save.

      However, if you highlight the fold "body" you can see from the preview that it already decided to go crazy with its relation to the origin.

      When the file is saved, closed and opened again the part will be in the new position (blue preview)

       

      Any body else that has noted this?

      SolidCrazy.png

        • Re: Solidworks 2018 coordinate system mainia
          Elmar Klammer

          Hi Mikael,

           

          Until you find the source for the issues you can try a workaround assuming you know where the original position was.

          The new SW18 3Dinterconnect has cause a fair bit of issues. Maybe toggling this setting on or off might affect something.

           

          Run evaluate & check stringent...maybe you have import body issues that went unnoticed.

           

          Next I would try to use move copy body and align displace body back into original position. The move body doesn't affect face ID so it should work well with downstream dependencies.

           

          Other things I would try. Add a delete body feature and suppress it. Sometimes those toggle-tricks can fix random errors.

           

          Alternatively if that fails try this.

           

          - Open the import part (P1) and select import1 body.

          - Save as step. It will ask you if you want to export the selected body only. Confirm with yes.

          - Import the step file into SW and run import diagnostic.

          - Export the body again to step (S2).

          - In P1 Select the import1 body/RMB and choose <Edit Feature> & browse to the S2 to replace the body.

           

          That can cause some issues with dependent features.

           

          Maybe you find something that works....

           

          See what sticks kinda idea...

           

          Elmar

            • Re: Solidworks 2018 coordinate system mainia
              Mikael Martinsson

              Hi Elmar.

              Thanks for your answer.

               

              I was suspecting the 3D interconnect. However, we always release the "connection" after import so we get a standard "imported body" geometry. But still perhaps that can be one of the reasons so I should try and disable it. If it is so, it's a pity, because importing complex geometry got a lot better with interconnect.

               

              There is no errors in the imported body or surfaces. That is checked.

               

              Move/Copy body could perhaps work. Have not tried it, but as you mention, it doesn't affect the edge/face ID.

               

              I noticed one thing. If I add some feature on the imported geometry I can use that when I reopen the part to get it in correct position again. So when the file is reopened and in incorrect position, editing the feature and click ok directly puts it back in the correct positition. I guess that is similar to your idea to delete body and then suppress it.

               

              Anyway, everything mentioned is just a work around, and the original problem lies within SW2018. We have used this method in several previous versions without any problem at all. So hopfully it will be fixed in SP2 when it is released.

                • Re: Solidworks 2018 coordinate system mainia
                  Elmar Klammer

                  Hi Mikael,

                   

                  I hear ya. Using workarounds in SW is a means to get the job done. If I had to wait on SW to fix the many quirks that come with this software then I would have thrown it out long time ago. No bull. You have to work with what you can control. That more I read about the 3Dinterconnect the more I get the impression it is beta-status at best. I don't know how often I have used an enhancement-feature only to be shut down half way through because it wouldn't deliver in the real world or broke down easily. It's in its 1st release. Given SW reputation to make 1st release features work, I would recommend against using it for production. As you see for yourself....it comes in faster but obviously you have to deal with a bug now....That doesn't spell enhancement, does it.

                   

                  Elmar

                   

                  As a rule of thumb. I have never started to use a new release before SP2 or 3 and only if I had measureable prove that the new version could deliver more productivity.

                  I a few instances I would upgrade because of new functionality, but very rarely. Sometimes customers dictate the SW version to be used.

                  I still do most of my work in 2016. It's not bug free but I know most of the quirks that I need to look out for. And that is the performance advantage that I use to my benefit. Most often I would like to check with test projects to see if SW has come up with new ideas of breaking things. But time is precious.

                  We pay pre(sub)scription every year but try to upgrade no earlier than every two years. That has reduced the head ache of upgrading at least by about half.

                  • Re: Solidworks 2018 coordinate system mainia
                    Elmar Klammer

                    Hi Mikael,

                     

                    You mentioned a "feature edit trick".

                    "I noticed one thing. If I add some feature on the imported geometry I can use that when I reopen the part to get it in correct position again. So when the file is reopened and in incorrect position, editing the feature and click ok directly puts it back in the correct position."

                    Just recently someone had issues with SW2018 files where the material change wouldn't stick unless you used the same feature-edit-toggle trick. It was assigned SPR 1058446. Maybe there is something bigger at work here with SW 2018 file updates.

                     

                    Some similarity is evident.

                     

                      • Re: Solidworks 2018 coordinate system mainia
                        Mikael Martinsson

                        Hi.

                        Finally found the bug.

                         

                        As mentioned in the beginning.

                        - Import customer part with 3D interconnect

                        - Relase link so it becomes a standard imported body

                        - Save as SW part file.

                        - Insert part in assembly so the origin and CSYS are the same on the assy as the part.

                        - Create new part/parts in the same CSYS in the assy and start modeling with reference to customer part.

                         

                        Now comes the trick.

                        We add, in the top level assembly, a coordinate system (ref. geometry) to be able to export the part as stl or stp for our external simulation software in the correct direction.

                         

                        After this export, SW decides that the parts with imported bodys should be moved to fit the custom coordinate system for some reason. It is like an invisible move/copy body feature. If you just open the customer part, not the assy, you can see that the origin is now moved to where my custom coordinate system was added.

                         

                        So as you mentioned, I can save my work by doing a move/copy body to reposition the customer part to its original location/direction.

                        Another solution is to save the assembly and parts first, then add the coordinate system and export to stl/stp and after this close without saving.

                         

                        But the bug is that if adding a custom coordinate system in the assembly level, and using this to export to stl/stp or iges, it will move parts to so their origin aligns with the customer CS.