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Request for help with Shaded View Resolution

Dennis Dohogne Oct 24, 2017 1:01 PM

I bet and hope this is a really simple thing to address. I am creating a drawing with an enlarged detail view. The lined image on the left is adequate, but I need it to be shaded. The shaded version is unacceptable. This is in a drawing file and you can see I maxed out all the performance and image settings I knew to adjust. My computer is new with a kick-ash Quadro P3000 video card and the driver is approved.

Can someone tell me how to get the shaded view to have a resolution similar to the lined view? I cannot post the files, but this question should not need them anyway. Thanks in advance.

Re: Request for help with Shaded View Resolution

Dave Dinius Oct 24, 2017 12:46 PM (in response to Dennis Dohogne)

Just throwing stuff on the wall to see what sticks here, is the view Display Style on High Quality?
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  Dennis Dohogne Oct 24, 2017 12:52 PM (in response to Dave Dinius)
  
  Close, but no cigar. The view was set to Draft quality, but when I changed it this is what I got. I even did a forced regenerate and saved the drawing.
  
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    Dave Dinius Oct 24, 2017 1:02 PM (in response to Dennis Dohogne)
    
    Now that I'm playing with it, I am getting the same kind of behavior. It even shifts slightly when toggling between the two!!
    Like I said, throwing stuff on the wall.....
    
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Re: Request for help with Shaded View Resolution

Dan Pihlaja Oct 24, 2017 2:01 PM (in response to Dennis Dohogne)

What about this setting:
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  Dave Dinius Oct 24, 2017 2:06 PM (in response to Dan Pihlaja)
  
  Can't speak for Dennis Dohogne, but mine is set to High Quality on Shaded and Wireframe.
  Maybe one of those "Minor Bugs"?
  
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  Dan Pihlaja Oct 24, 2017 2:08 PM (in response to Dan Pihlaja)
  
  With that setting set to high and then I play with these settings:
  
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    Dennis Dohogne Oct 24, 2017 2:39 PM (in response to Dan Pihlaja)
    
    Dan,
    Thanks for pointing those out. The System Settings, Drawing, Display Style, Edge Display was not set to high quality, but changing to HQ did not affect the display at all. All the other areas you highlighted were already set to HQ. I even did a forced rebuild, saved, closed the file and reopened it, and the display is still too coarse.
    
    I had a full head of hair a couple of hours ago, but now it looks a little splotchy too. Can somebody save what remains of my hair and sanity?
    
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      Dan Pihlaja Oct 24, 2017 3:31 PM (in response to Dennis Dohogne)
      
      OK, two more shots in the dark:
      
      1) What is your image quality setting for the part? (I saw that you referenced image quality for the drawing level...but I think that the part level might affect this? Maybe?)
      
      2) Other than that, I played with every setting that I can think of. It totally fixes it for me when I switch display style for that view from High Quality to Draft Quality (see attached video). That being said, the only other thing that I can think of is that you might not be running an approved/tested video card with an approved/tested video card driver. Can you check this here?: Graphics Card Drivers | Hardware & System Requirements | SOLIDWORKS
      (Edit: reason why I say this is because things like RealView graphics won't work without an approved graphics card/driver....so maybe this is similar?)
      
      View image quality.mp4 1.3 MB
      
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        Dennis Dohogne Oct 24, 2017 3:38 PM (in response to Dan Pihlaja)
        
        Boy, Dan, you are really working hard to help me and I truly appreciate it!! The graphics card is a reasonably high end card with an approved driver from SWX. Your video shows the very first settings I tried. That's why I started this post, because that didn't get me the result I wanted.
        
        Whatever this issue is it has to do with the shaded view because the lined view is good.
        
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        Dan Pihlaja Oct 24, 2017 3:47 PM (in response to Dennis Dohogne)
        
        Dennis Dohogne wrote:
        
        Boy, Dan, you are really working hard to help me and I truly appreciate it!! The graphics card is a reasonably high end card with an approved driver from SWX. Your video shows the very first settings I tried. That's why I started this post, because that didn't get me the result I wanted.
        
        Whatever this issue is it has to do with the shaded view because the lined view is good.
        
        Ahh, I see that you said that about your graphics card right in the question that you posted. Oops.
        
        What version of Solidworks are you using?
        
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        Dennis Dohogne Oct 24, 2017 3:58 PM (in response to Dan Pihlaja)
        
        I am using SWX2017 SP4.1, but I've seen this issue before so I think it has more to do with the settings than the version. But I could easily be wrong!
        
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        Dan Pihlaja Oct 24, 2017 4:02 PM (in response to Dennis Dohogne)
        
        Dennis Dohogne wrote:
        
        I am using SWX2017 SP4.1, but I've seen this issue before so I think it has more to do with the settings than the version. But I could easily be wrong!
        
        I wonder if I gave you my settings file, would it work at all (I am using SW 2015 SP5)? I don't know if they are compatible.
        
        Do you think that it might be worth a shot? If it works, then you know that there is something specific in your settings.
        
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Re: Request for help with Shaded View Resolution

Glenn Schroeder Oct 24, 2017 2:58 PM (in response to Dennis Dohogne)

Dennis,

You've probably already tried this, but have you printed this, or looked at a print preview? Sometimes things look better printed than they do on the monitor.
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  Dennis Dohogne Oct 24, 2017 3:09 PM (in response to Glenn Schroeder)
  
  Glenn,
  That is a good thought. The print preview does not show any improvement in this case. I just moved my office so I'm nowhere even close to the printer I used to connect to so I didn't actually print it yet.
  
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Re: Request for help with Shaded View Resolution

John Stoltzfus Oct 24, 2017 4:00 PM (in response to Dennis Dohogne)

Dennis Dohogne - Here is what I would try....

Make sure your video card is the latest and greatest update and try a different appearance and also try to see if you can just grab a picture from file explorer and drop it to that face your showing and see if it still acts the same... I would also start looking at the appearance settings..
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  Dennis Dohogne Oct 24, 2017 4:20 PM (in response to John Stoltzfus)
  
  John,
  Video card is not just good, it is great (higher end Nvidea card and SWX approved/certified driver). I believe this issue happens due to the shaded view and occurs on all previous versions of SWX.
  
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    Dan Pihlaja Oct 25, 2017 8:23 AM (in response to Dennis Dohogne)
    
    Dennis Dohogne wrote:
    
    John,
    Video card is not just good, it is great (higher end Nvidea card and SWX approved/certified driver). I believe this issue happens due to the shaded view and occurs on all previous versions of SWX.
    I was using Shaded with Edges style in my video (like you said above) and I was able to fix it using the view setting.
    Now that I am looking at it again, I checked my own part with SHADED style and I couldn't get it to look good, because there is no setting.
    However...
    I went back to my part (not the drawing) and updated the Image Quality settings and it fixed my drawing. See attached video.
    
    Summarized in a different reply - see below (https://forum.solidworks.com/message/794319#comment-794319 )
    
    Image Quality at Part level.mp4 4.3 MB
    
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      Dennis Dohogne Oct 24, 2017 4:45 PM (in response to Dan Pihlaja)
      
      Dan,
      I think you got me there. For the benefit of anyone reading this I want to comment on the things tried that did and did not have an affect.
      1. I was in Large Assembly Mode which was keeping me from using Realview Graphics. Once I turned LAM off and toggled Realview Graphics there was no affect on the results.
      2. What DID work was going into the image quality of all the parts involved in the detail view and in the assembly and setting them to their highest resolution (red zones, what the heck). Now the drawing detail looks decent:
      Dan, Dan, you da man!
      
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        Dan Pihlaja Oct 24, 2017 4:48 PM (in response to Dennis Dohogne)
        
        Thanks Dennis. Was a good learning experience for me as well.
        
        I was actually working on my own stuff in between too! So I can say that I actually got a lot done!.
        
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Re: Request for help with Shaded View Resolution

Jim Sculley Oct 24, 2017 4:13 PM (in response to Dennis Dohogne)

Since this is an enlarged detail view can you simply make a scaled up parent view and do an unenlarged detail view? You can drag the parent view off the sheet and hide it if necessary.

Or, copy the original view, scale it up and crop it to show the detail.
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  Dennis Dohogne Oct 24, 2017 4:30 PM (in response to Jim Sculley)
  
  Jim,
  I saw this and thought that might just do it, but it didn't.
  
  I am now wondering if there is an affect due to the relative scale of the part. This detail view is looking at something that is only about 3" high. The detail view scale is 1:2. The drawing is a B-size with a 1:25 scale and only has the parent view that is 315" long. (The depth of the parts in the view should not matter since that is into the paper, but for what it's worth that is 306".)
  
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Re: Request for help with Shaded View Resolution

Dan Pihlaja Oct 24, 2017 4:44 PM (in response to Dennis Dohogne)
So now that I have re-read your post.....

I was using Shaded with Edges style in my original video (like you said above) and I was able to fix it using the view setting.

Now that I am looking at it again, I checked my own part with SHADED style and I couldn't get it to look good, because there is no setting.

However...

I went back to my part (not the drawing) and updated the Image Quality settings and it fixed my drawing. See attached video.

So to summarize: It looks like the image quality of the shaded view of a Solidworks drawing is pulled from the part level image quality, not the drawing level image quality.

I wonder if this is intended behavior?

Image Quality at Part level.mp4 4.3 MB
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