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Question asked by Nigel Ball on Jul 7, 2017
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Why does Solidworks just have an inability to pretty much always work as it should, it pi$$ing me off!!

Yesterday I made a base model multi part and sent all of the parts out using the 'Save Bodies' method, something ive done 100's of times

After creating all of my individual parts, I then opened them all and updated the properties

Then, I created a drawing sheet for each part & assembly.

All was ok.

Turned off SW at the end of the day.

TODAY

Open SW

Open Drawing sheets, notice that every single drawing view has a Build Error

Open main Assembly, notice that EVERY SINGLE PART also has a Build Error. WHY?

All Assemblies, Parts & Drawings reside in the same directory as the base model

The directory is included in my search paths

Why does SW randomly lose its ability to retain a reference?

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A very frustrated Nacho grrrrrrrr

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Nigel Ball Jul 7, 2017 11:39 AM
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Its worth noting that when I got down to part level, I don't have any errors. for example:
in the base model, there are no errors.
If I edit the feature in the part, it links back to the base model correctly
There are no constraint issues
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Dan Pihlaja @ Nigel Ball on Jul 7, 2017 11:44 AM
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Are you opening the assemblies with the parts read only? Either that or you have a circular rebuild issue somewhere.
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Dan Pihlaja @ Nigel Ball on Jul 7, 2017 11:45 AM
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Can you share that particular part/assembly?
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Nigel Ball @ Nigel Ball on Jul 7, 2017 11:47 AM
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and without changing a single thing........
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Nigel Ball @ Dan Pihlaja on Jul 7, 2017 11:48 AM
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Hi
I cant share the part without sharing the multibody. I can share it personally, just not on a forum as its against the rules of work.
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Nigel Ball @ Dan Pihlaja on Jul 7, 2017 11:50 AM
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No nothing is read only. don't think its a circular rebuild issue, its a small assembly with not many parts and everything is out of the base model
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Christian Chu Jul 7, 2017 11:52 AM
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Yesterday I made a base model multi part and sent all of the parts out using the 'Save Bodies' method, something ive done 100's of times
After creating all of my individual parts, I then opened them all and updated the properties
Are individual parts from "Save Bodies"? there must be something change when you edited these individual parts
As Dan suggested to load your models here so we can view, if you don't mind?
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Steven Mills @ Nigel Ball on Jul 7, 2017 11:56 AM
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Something that may help in the future. Go into your setting and make sure your not ignoring some important warning. See the 'dismissed messages' section in options.
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Vladimir Urazhdin Jul 7, 2017 12:17 PM
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Some references are missing:
Break missing references and you will be fine.
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Kyle Craig Jul 7, 2017 12:25 PM
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Hi Nigel,
if you right click a warning part in the assembly tree can you select "whats wrong?" and if so, what does it say?
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John Stoltzfus @ Kyle Craig on Jul 7, 2017 12:29 PM
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Normal answers from the "What's wrong" make you scratch your head and say "Really" now what......
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Nigel Ball Jul 7, 2017 12:30 PM
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Hi

Not anymore.
Everything is 'In Context'
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Nigel Ball @ Christian Chu on Jul 7, 2017 12:31 PM
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Hi
I cant share the working model, it belongs to the Company and I'm forbidden to publicly posting it. I can share via email though if that helps
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Kyle Craig @ Nigel Ball on Jul 7, 2017 12:33 PM
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sometimes a Ctrl+Q forced regeneration can help in these situations, though you've probably already tried that?
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Nigel Ball Jul 7, 2017 12:39 PM
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lol yes mate one of the first things ive tried.
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Kyle Craig @ Nigel Ball on Jul 7, 2017 12:52 PM
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are there likely to be any further changes made to the master part files? Or do you require them to remain linked to their parent part file which may have further changes?
As Vladimir said, you could try removing the reference. You can Lock or Break the reference. In the External references window you've screengrabbed above, choose "Lock All".
Best practice is generally to Lock rather than Break. Once broken you can never unbreak.
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John Stoltzfus Jul 7, 2017 1:13 PM
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Did you check your settings as shown by Steven Mills - that is where it's at if you have no errors in the sketch or sketch plane as you show,. Did you recently upgrade or making any setting changes??
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Nigel Ball Jul 7, 2017 1:26 PM
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Yes I have checked my settings. I haven't changed anything since yesterday nor have I updated anything. I literally turned SW off yesterday and then turned it back on today. When I turned it on, it was good for about an hour then popped up the error while I was adding dimensions in a drawing sheet that I created last night.

There are no sketches or edits in the parts themselves, all features are in the base model.

Odd though, the 15th turn of SW and turn on SW results in 2 parts becoming stable......

Cheers
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John Stoltzfus @ Nigel Ball on Jul 7, 2017 1:30 PM
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Then you only have
Nigel Ball wrote:

Odd though, the 15th turn of SW and turn on SW results in 2 parts becoming stable.....

Looks like you only got another 120 to go then all should be well
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Nigel Ball @ Nigel Ball on Jul 7, 2017 1:34 PM
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and out of interest, why are the browser codes so elusive?
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Dennis Dohogne @ Nigel Ball on Jul 7, 2017 1:50 PM
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Nigel, since we cannot touch your files we are at a great loss to help you directly so there are going to be a bunch of suggestions of things to try and here are some from me:
1. Just for grins and giggles go to the top of your top level assembly and RMB on its name:
Take a look at the options that show up and select Set Resolved to Lightweight. Then RMB again and select Set Lightweight to Resolved. Does this do anything to the warnings?
2. Expand all your assemblies and show us what the FM displays. We see yellow warnings on the assemblies, but this could be a problem with one or more parts, with a mate, etc. Open any and all assemblies/parts that have a warning on them and show us WTF is going on with them.
3. Suppress all the assemblies and then one-by-one unsuppress them. What happens with regard to the warnings?
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Glenn Schroeder Jul 7, 2017 1:56 PM
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I can't help fix your issue, but have a question. I know from reading posts here that a lot of people break a multi-body Part down into individual Parts, but I don't think I've ever seen a need to do so. Do you mind if I ask why you do it?
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Vladimir Urazhdin Jul 7, 2017 2:19 PM
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This is my guess only.
The bodies of multi body part been created with references to each others.
When bodies have been saved as separated parts almost every feature ID has been changed and references went to nowhere.
Mates also must be very unstable with this technique as well.
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Nigel Ball Jul 7, 2017 2:53 PM
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Hi
They reference each other in the multi body part yes.
Why would the references go to nowhere? What is the point having a feature to saves the bodies as parts in an assembly if isn't always going to work?
I have done far more complex assemblies using this method in the past and this assembly is relatively simple.

I have found that I can save bodies again and have parts / assemblies that seem ok. I'm hoping I don't get the same issue tomorrow and its put me back a whole day. Nothing like doing something twice.

Nacho
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Vladimir Urazhdin @ Nigel Ball on Jul 7, 2017 2:59 PM
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Why would the references go to nowhere?
Because the internal ID's have been changed after creating new parts from multi body part
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