Hole tables are often the subject of requests for enhancements by users. So, let me just ask here, how should Hole Tables be improved?
I haven't used them much before (although I feel that I will in the future), but I just saw this; Hole Table: Possible to choose ALL holes without individually selecting each?
Here is an example of one I did just last week.
<EDIT> These suggestions ARE currently available for hole tables. All have been nicely answered by Matthew Lorono.
From this I came up with three two things:
1. The size is the second column instead of the default fourth and it is grouped. I also added a column for Notes (though I forgot to label it in this example). I would like to be able to save this as a named template and make it my default. I must admit that I have not used hole tables all that much so I wouldn't be surprised if it can already do this. Can it?
2. For really crowded parts it would be good to split the table and view onto multiple sheets. This one doesn't need it, but imagine one sheet with the A series of holes and another with the rest. Of course the user would have to have control over this. I can manually do this now by making one sheet with the entire hole table and copying it to another sheet then editing both tables to just show their respective series of holes and tags, but it would be nice if SWX could reduce the work required to achieve this.
3. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if SWX can already do this, but I can foresee cases where it would be good to have leaders between the tags and their holes. Okay, I just checked and the tags have leaders that are turned off by default so count this one as done.
I spend a lot of time repositioning the labels. I would like to see smarter positioning of the labels, e.g. avoid overlapping with edges, centerlines, centermarks, dim lines, leaders, etc.
Good one! I second that.
For #1, have you attempted to save this as a table template?
For #2, have you attempted to use the Horizontal Auto Split command in the RMB of the table?
Matthew Lorono wrote: Dennis, For #1, have you attempted to save this as a table template? It’s been so long since I saved a table for a template that I forgot how. I have to give myself a Gibb’s slap for this one! Thanks! For #2, have you attempted to use the Horizontal Auto Split command in the RMB of the table? Very nice! I never saw that option before.
Matthew Lorono wrote:
For #1, have you attempted to save this as a table template? It’s been so long since I saved a table for a template that I forgot how. I have to give myself a Gibb’s slap for this one! Thanks!
For #2, have you attempted to use the Horizontal Auto Split command in the RMB of the table? Very nice! I never saw that option before.
I'll go back and edit my original post.
Thanks, Matthew Lorono, as always you have been very helpful and we (myself and speaking for others) appreciate your direct efforts to solicit input for product improvements.
Firstly i want to say, mbd should use hole table.
Second if a part has multi separate faces, the depth will be problem. I dont know how to fix it but the the height difference should be pointed out.
Dennis, thank you. If you save your hole table as a template, let me know if anything unexpected or unsupported in your workflow pops up.
That is my largest hassle. If there was a way to specify in the Options that hole labels are .XXX distance from hole in a bottom left or bottom right quadrant would be great. Then only a few holes would need adjustment instead of all of them.
I normally don't post SPR numbers, but this enhancement has been requested by only a few customers. You may wish to add your votes: 906086. This number can be found in the Customer Portal by searching in the Enhancement Request area.
John Frahm wrote: That is my largest hassle. If there was a way to specify in the Options that hole labels are .XXX distance from hole in a bottom left or bottom right quadrant would be great. Then only a few holes would need adjustment instead of all of them.
John Frahm wrote:
This has been available since at least 2015, maybe even further back.....
Maybe I should change this thread to be "learn tips and tricks about hole tables".
Our requirements are probably not typical. We mostly use hole tables for sheetmetal. We don't need xy co-ordinates since programming by suppliers is done from dxf or directly from Solidworks model.
All we need on drawing is something like this:
..so programmers and operators can check tool sizes/hole qty.
So things we would like mostly hinge around this format of table:
1. Allow editing of hole designators. We would like to always keep designator for particular hole size the same from revision to revision. At the moment if a new hole size is introduced or holes are moved the hole designators can randomly change (Frequently the hole table has to be replaced because it refuses to update correctly).This is confusing for suppliers.
2. Allow the Origin Indicator to be hidden by default. The Visibility of origin indicator is not saved in table template meaning it has to be hidden every time a table is placed.
3. Stop table updates from un-hiding hidden designators. Some of our parts have thousands of holes in large closly spaced patterns. We usually hide all designators except one for each pattern group. Any update of the table un-hides them again.
4. Speed up hole table generation for large patterns of holes. Sometimes takes close to an hour for a hole table to be placed on drawing of parts with 1000+ holes. The slightest change to the part can trigger a hole table update which means a long wait to open drawing.
with Turkish expression " what can i do sometimes"
Matthew, as always you are a ray of hope. Thank you for starting this. I don't have a lot of time to get in-depth right now, so let me reference this recent thread I started which details my trials and tribulation with hole charts and slots...
Hole Table - How do I select the radii of a slot?
Thanks. I will have to pay closer attention on my next creation. I swear they do not come over uniformly at a 45deg angle and .315 offset.
Ian, for your #3, could you contact your VAR and see if there's something going on that causes the hidden to unhide on updates? Perhaps this is bug? For #4, would you have a dataset that you can make available to us for review?
Glad I found this post. I spoke with my VAR earlier this morning about setting a hole table template. I want to be able to set hole table letters to specific sized holes.
I have guys in the machine shop complaining that hole drilling labels are different for every drawing. For example, A drawing sheet might have A1, A2, A3... holes grouped under 6mm Diameter at 15mm Deep. But on another drawing, the same holes of the same diameter and drill depth is labeled B1, B2, B3... and so on.
Is it possible to standardise the drilling hole labels? If not then can this be added as an option for the CAD user to decide how each letter is allocated?
I would like integrate geometric tolerance into hole description.
Long standing request in our company. The ability to add geometric tolerances in hole tables.
Also see post Adding Geometric tolerance to Hole table
And as Deepak Gupta mentioned " Please vote for SPR #: 816891"
I'd like to be able to change the units of individual holes. We have parts designed in inches, but we use metric PEMs, and I want to be able to call out the PEM holes in metric. Dual dimensions will not work for us.
Turns out an SPR already exist on the Solidworks Customer Portal. For those who wants to see the improved hole call out feature, you can vote with this SPR #: 182285.
A couple things that's always bugged me about hole tables is when you have to add new holes to the table. When you want to add holes, why do you have to search in the feature tree for the hole table under the drawing view in order to edit the holes on the table. Why not allow you to pick on the table that's actually visible on the drawing view & bring up the dialog to add or edit the holes. The other thing that's really annoying is when you add new holes to the table & you have the setting to Combine same sizes so that all of the holes are together, why does it add each hole along with the callout to its own row. You then have to edit the table TWICE once to turn off the combine same sizes & then a second time to turn this back on. Both of these options would save time & that's the main purpose of software is to make a person more productive.
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