How do i justify getting my boss to purchase a 3d space navigator. I have used them in the past and i really feel it helps. But I am not able to articulate it very well. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
1. They only cost about $100.00.
2. You'll save a lot of time (which will save him/her money) manipulating your models and drawings using one versus a conventional mouse, and since you're already familiar with it that savings will begin immediately (no time lost learning how to use it).
3. They last a long time. I don't remember when I got mine, but I've had it at least 6-7 years, and it still works like new. Assuming a 10 year life span, that's $10.00 per year. You'll save $10.00 worth of time in a week or two.
4. Maybe don't tell your boss this, but when mine breaks, if they won't buy me a new one here I'll buy one myself.
It boils down to explaining to him (or her) that it will enable you to get more work done in less time.
Read this Blog:
How Using a 3D Mouse Can Improve the Design Process
Personally, I truly don't understand anyone who doesn't use one. If you put me in front of a CAD computer without one, I tend to look like a 4 year old trying to move the part around.
With one, I am like a jet pilot! Yeah!
Anyway, it does have a learning period (like roller skating or riding a bike). The first time you use it, you are going to look silly. But if you force yourself to practice with it, after a couple of weeks, you will NEVER look back.
I would satay stay away from this one: 3Dconnexion : SpaceNavigator
I tried it, and I don't like that there isn't a wrist rest.
This is similar to the one that I use: http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/spacemouse/spacemousepro.html
Customizing the buttons is a breeze.
Out of curiosity, why would you advise against the entry level one?
Maybe it's my tendency to use mouse gestures and the hotkey for my easy access to commands, but I've never really fully gotten behind the need to have more than one or two buttons on one of those things. Link one to your hotkey, link the other to Zoom to Fit or something and I'm good to go.
HA Ha Ha,
The Space Navigator is exactly the one I use. I have longed for the SpaceMousePro but since I am buying my own the $300 price difference has held me off. FWIW I love my Navigator, I would recommend anyone starting out to slow down the response speed until they get used to it.
I don't know what to tell you to justify it other than your speed at manipulating the models increases by quite a bit.
Using mine is so ingrained in my workflow that I can't imagine using Solidworks without it. It's like having my left hand cut off.
I don't like the entry level one for 2 reason:
It doesn't have a wrist rest. That drives me nuts personally. And hurts my wrist.
The other reason is this:
When I am using my 3D mouse (which is ALL the time), my hands are NOT on the keyboard. Therefore, the more hotkeys that I can link into the 3D mouse the better, because it keeps me from spamming my arm back and forth between the keyboard and 3D mouse.
About the only time I use my keyboard is to type in numbers (there is an option for a keypad that will type in numbers for you, but I hate that thing)
Dan Pihlaja wrote: It doesn't have a wrist rest. That drives me nuts personally. And hurts my wrist.
Dan Pihlaja wrote:
It doesn't have a wrist rest. That drives me nuts personally. And hurts my wrist.
I have the Space Navigator. My wrist rests on my desk.
For some reason when I do that, it eventually creates pain in my wrist. It just doesn't work for me. Maybe its my desk height/chair height ratio, maybe its my beefy wrists....I don't know.
I have been using a 3D mouse with a built in wrist rest since 1998, so maybe I am biased.
Edit: When I started here (5 years ago), there were no 3D mice. I asked for one and they ordered the Space Navigator, but I gave it to another employee here and asked my boss if I could order the other one specifically because of the wrist issue.
Its my playground and I want my toys.
You should have said that in all CAPS as well as bold....with an exclamation mark at the end. And maybe with *stomps left foot, crosses arms, and looks pointedly at the camera, challenging any who dare to disagree*
Well, its how I picture that phrase in my head.
You already have the best justification point for your boss: "I have used them in the past and i really feel it helps"
just quantify how much time you can save per day using 3D space navigator. Unconsciously and instantly, he/she will do a quick math in his/her head to convert it into $ and will let you know right away if he/she like this amount of ROI or not.
As an example: a regular SOLIDWORKS user travels his/her mouse about 3 km per day. Using "S Key" and "D Key", the mouse travel can be reduced to approximately 200 to 300 meters. Now, let the BOSS does the rest of the math!
And here is a testimonials page, if you are into that sort of thing:
What Makes 3D Mice Special, According to the People That Use Them
I hear you on the wrist rest.
I'm curious about the hotkeys. Which ones do you map to? My assumption has always been that linking to your SW hotkey ("s"... assuming that you actually use that function) and maybe a basic view command or the enter key would take care of a VAST majority of what most people use on a regular basis.
You took it exactly the way I meant it, and just to clarify No is not an option.
ESC, CTRL, ALT, and SHIFT. (these are the biggest benefits, in my opinion)
The S key
The 3D mouse has its own version of gestures, which I use along with Solidwork's gestures.
The fit functionality (F key)
Normal To Function (same as CTRL 8)
I started out working on the shop floor. Everyone was expected to buy their own tools. You could buy them through the company (often resulting in being able to get a discounted price) and the company would take a little out of each paycheck to cover the cost (no interest). Every person had a roll-around tool box filled with tools. We all had anywhere between 2-5 thousand dollars worth of tools. None of us made more money than the designers...we all made less. For this reason, I consider it to be a huge perk when my employer is willing to purchase anything more than the "machine" I am hired to operate. I don't ask for a special mouse, I just buy what I want and use it. So if your boss doesn't think it is worthwhile to spend the money on a 3D Mouse, but you know full well that it makes you a more productive machine operator, just bite the bullet and buy one! (Asking if you can buy one through the company and have a little taken out of each paycheck to pay the company back also causes them to realize just how useful and productive you have found this tool to be, and has been known to cause them to decide to just buy it and not require reimbursement.)
Maybe it works for me because I have a U-shaped desk, and I sit toward the left side of it, so not only is my wrist supported, but my whole forearm is resting on the desktop.
Are there any other companies making something that will accomplish a similar function? I have heard great things about the 3Dconnexion stuff, but come on; there has to be some competition out there. Besides just the tiered products they themselves offer.
So Dan, years ago the 3D Connexion people changed from the ball to the rotating ring concept just for this reason. I have a SpacePilot Pro and have used spaceballs for years and noticed a change in my wrist comfort the minute they changed their design. Now, my SpacePilot Pro has a ramp for my wrist but twist the ring vs grabbing the "ball" sure made a difference.
Derek, my suggestion would be to buy one on ebay and trying it first to show your boss. I do recommend getting one of the higher end devices because they have other features like ESC, ctrl, alt, ETC keys
There's this thing (*said with distaste*): https://www.kensington.com/us/us/4493/k64325/expert-mouse-wired-trackball
And there's these guys: CAD Mouse / DCC Mouse / 3D Mouse / SpaceController. CATIA, Google Earth, Solid Edge, SolidWorks, Autodesk, 3D Studio Max…
But I have never used either.
Edit: Also, there's this: Spatial Freedom Apparently it is made by the same guy who invented the first 3d Mouse which eventually became 3DConnexions.
Edit2: 3D SpaceMouse vs Spacecontroller ? - -Engineering programs/apps (general) - Eng-Tips
I agree, a 3D navigator is a really "fun" toy but really you can get away with just a mouse + keyboard if you know how to customize the shortcuts inside SolidWorks properly, like mouse gestures etc.. just my 2 cents!
Yes, I remember the ball. I also remember the changeover from ball to puck. I like the puck. I was never sure of the reason, but I DO remember there being a lot of problems with the last version of the ball that they released.
How familiar is your boss with your job, and technology?
I ask because I have worked for many companies where the person who needed to sign off on a purchasing decision does not actually have a clue, and a logical argument is pointless.
If you suspects this may be the case, save yourself the aggravation and buy one. Just make sure to take it with you when you find a job working for people who do have a clue.
Sorry about the tone, but this stuff really strikes a chord.
i took some advice from everyone and now the update, my boss has no clue as to what i need, BUT, he understands that im in a specialized position, and said to send him a link so he can look into it, and I'm reasonably confident i will get one. He is the same man who let me pick my travel laptop (within a margin) while everyone else got a dell budget one for travel. But thanks everyone for the help.
Jeff Saghar wrote: I agree, a 3D navigator is a really "fun" toy but really you can get away with just a mouse + keyboard if you know how to customize the shortcuts inside SolidWorks properly, like mouse gestures etc.. just my 2 cents!
Jeff Saghar wrote:
It's not just a "fun toy". It allows you to manipulate your models and drawings much faster and easier. If you know how to do that with keyboard shortcuts and mouse gestures I'd love to hear about it. And although I don't run into this situation often, if your cursor is tied up with another function the 3d mouse allows you to manipulate your model (or Drawing) without exiting the other function.
I know you can "get away" with just a mouse and keyboard. You can also get away with a pencil and paper.
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