solidworks says that 2017 sp2 is ready for download but it isn't
That's an "Early Visibility" (ie not completely finished) version that you have to sign up to the beta-testing program to install.
Don't worry mate. SP 2.0 will be released in January. See this...
You do know it's already February Rick?
Would you rather have them take their time and try to get it right, or rush to meet a deadline?
He forgot the #sarcasm tag
Rick, no offence but I believe these are dates of EV releases (expect for SP 0). And then final SP is released usually in around 3-4 weeks time after the EV version.
There had been instances where the SP release dates were postponed.
Andy got it right.
Dassault not doing what they say and not doing what their customers want.
Deepak, I clearly don't see the EV tag anywhere on that page.
I'm guessing those two keys are missing from the keyboard of whoever typed that chart?
Timothy, that's not MY chart I posted...
I do not think that is required.
I feel like you're reading too much into the projected timeline. Or maybe I'm reading too much into your choice of words.
I think Glenn Schroeder raised a good question regarding "what [Dassault/SW's] customers want": are you happier with seeing it before 1/31, or happier when it's ready?
Given how things have gone in the early releases of 2015 and 2016 (some of the problems were probably SW's fault, some of them were dictated more by Windows issues), I know how I would answer that question.
You guys are not getting my point.
Really, how hard is it to update/revise a chart on a web page to reflect this current cycles release schedule? It is either lazy or arrogant to leave misinformation out there when it is so easy to fix.
Also, if this was my only problem with the Dassault business model, I would gladly take you admonition and shut up. The ball gets dropped in so many little ways/easy things it makes me wonder what is happening behind the scenes.
We pay a lot each and every year. Is it really to much to ask for honest, relevant and up-to-date information?
To Glenn's point. Yes I want the SP to be right. I also want the web page to reflect the truth.
SW 2017 Sp 2.0 is available now
I read Dilbert everyday. I think Scott Adams secretly works at Dessault and that is where he gets his stories.
Anyway... you really don't want SP2. It is the worst release since 2008. The more fluffy junk they add, the more bugs they introduce and the more frustrating it is to use.
Carter, What "fluffy junk" has been added to SP2 ?
What new bugs are you experiencing?
These are the kinds of questions I like to see asked every single time I see a BOLD DECLARATIVE STATEMENT.
As an engineer, I like context and details. Hyperbole bores me, if only because years of seeing facebook arguments, youtube comments, various political arguments, etc. has worn me down.
I'm sympathetic to the fact that writing long diatribes to get into it a) takes time, b) get's into pedantic TL;DR levels of detail pretty easily, and c) probably ultimately comes off whinier than just blowing off steam in a little two sentence vent session.
But still... give me something
I didn't say they added anything to SP2. I'm referring the endless 'fluff' that is added to the program every year that is obviously being driven by marketing requests and not user requests. You can't say honestly they you don't run into bugs on a daily basis that have been know about for several years yet DS does nothing to fix them. Rather, they will cram in another wish list item from a fortune 500 company to make a another buck. So each one of these fluff and puff pieces then reacts poorly with an already unstable system with the result of multi crashes throughout the day, unknown results from otherwise known expectations, and just downright what the heck that just do to my model?
This could be such a great product, but instead, it's the Yugo of the auto industry. And I'm standing by my complaint about the SP2 release. It is behaving worse than SP1. Please prove me wrong and I'll stop being a "whinier".
You can't say honestly they you don't run into bugs on a daily basis
Actually I can.
I haven't installed SP2 yet so I can't prove you wrong, but even if I had installed it, how would I prove you wrong?
And please, don't stop being a whiner, just quantify the whine with details.
and yet......still no details!!
I have 2017 SP2 and it's been very stable since I installed it. I have not had a crash yet since last week. As others have said on countless posts regarding the crashing issues, generally a lot of them are because of user work flows or people that don't have the proper hardware to run the software.
To be fair to myself and to this forum, I will do a complete clean uninstall tomorrow, and re-install just to make sure there are no unfair forces working against the application. Then, if repeated issues crop up, I will report a full and complete diary back here in a few days. If the problems go away with clean install, I will report that as well.
BTW - I'm running this on a dedicated machine I just custom built last month to be used only for SolidWorks.
Windows 10 Pro (updated automatically)
Intel core i7-680K @ 3.6
NVidia Quadro M2000
All of these items are on the approved list from SW
All drivers are updated automatically using Easy Driver software.
Not sure what Timothy means by "work flow". If you're referring to how to build a model, I've been using SW since 2008 and have literally thousands of models built. So I'd say I have enough user experience to know when the software is running stranger than what to typically expect from it. If you mean work flow from other applications or software, that is non existent on this machine. I have five other computers for those tasks.
This machine has not had previous versions of SW installed on it.
Follow up in about a week.
With all due respect to you and your opinion, I'm calling BS on it. I have always had approved hardware on very capable systems. I'm not "pushing the envelope" and stressing the software. My installations are always plain vanilla, with nothing odd. We encounter problems with SWX2017 with stuff that did not cause problems before - and you are trying to tell me it is something I'm doing wrong or a computer that is somehow all of a sudden inadequate? BS!
I just want a stable software that works reliably. Sure, the problems we have encountered are reproducible by some (our VAR), but not by everyone. This just speaks more to the flaky nature of the software.
Don't jump to a conclusion that a person all of a sudden has an inadequate hardware setup or has somehow had a brain reversal and can no longer follow straight-forward modelling practices. Somehow this just doesn't sit well with me when the only change has been a new version of the software. :-P
The chant for this just cannot be loud enough: ONE and TWO
Refer to this and try to tell me it's my hardware or my technique!!!! Just updated to 2017-SP2, now custom properties window does not appear in assemblies.
With all due respect to you and your opinion it must be either something you are doing in the software, your computer, or something else on your computer interacting with SW that is causing your issues. I only stated the fact that I have not had a crash since I installed 2017 SP2, which was two weeks ago now when the SP went active. Of course I might not be doing the same things with the software as you are, and I am willing to bet that my computer and network setup is different then yours.
Can you imagine how many different hardware setups there are across the install base? Different video cards, chip sets, or even a different bios could have an effect on how SW runs, and they have to try an account for every combination. So don't jump to the conclusion that everyone is having the same issues as you and jump on someone for stating that they are not!
EVERYONE's computer setup will be different. That's quite a leap you made there. SolidWorks issues a list of requirements and recommendations for hardware that they state their software will run properly on. If mine complies with their requirements then we can take that off the table!
As far as technique/modelling practices go, you'll have to take my word for it. I'm willing to put my credentials on the line starting with continuous use of SolidWorks since the initial 1995 release.
I am SO HAPPY for you that you are not having a problem. I cannot, however, accept your root cause analysis that changing to SWX2017 somehow caused me to have a massive brain fart and forget how to make some coincident mates without causing a crash!!
I changed the software and regret it due to problems I should not be having. My VAR and others on this forum have replicated the same problems with my files as well as with their own. How is it possible that you can conclude it is anything BUT the software?!
Recommending that a person check their hardware and video setup and even try alternate techniques is fine, but to assert that that is what is causing our problem just lights me up!
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