29 Replies Latest reply on Jan 3, 2019 9:41 AM by Dennis Dohogne

    What are Your Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier?

    Dennis Dohogne

      12/18/2018 EDIT:

      I started this thread two years ago, but with the current voting activity I think it is time to solicit everyone’s ideas for improving the TTL voting. Please post your ideas to share with us all and with the good folks at SWX that are following this thread.

       

      @forum_moderators

      If you could do a few of these things it would make our navigation and voting for the top ten list much easier and therefore more effective:

      1. Provide additional sort options such as

      a. My Bookmarked Ideas

      b. Ideas I have not Bookmarked

      c. Ideas I have not voted on

      d. Ideas by people I follow

      2. From the pages showing the lists of ideas we can see this about each idea:

      It would be very nice if we had an indication as to whether we have voted for this idea or not.

      3. It would also be very nice if we had the option to vote up/down on the ideas on this page without having to dive into them individually.

       

      I'm just offering some suggestions to make life a bit easier on forum users, especially for the voting.

       

      Thanks!

        • Re: Small Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier
          Daen Hendrickson

          +1 to Dennis' direction.

           

          I found myself repeatedly opening ideas found in subcategories further down the list to see if it was the same one I had just voted on in a previous subcategory. Many of the filters he suggests would also be helpful.

           

          Daen

          • Re: Small Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier
            Dennis Dohogne

            I was sure in need of these sort options again today!!

             

            Matthew Lorono and Richard Doyle, I'm not sure who to address this to except you two.  What do you say?  Is there any chance of providing some of these helpful bits?

             

            Thanks!!

            - - -Dennis

              • Re: Small Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier
                John Stoltzfus

                Trying to navigate the Top 10 in the past was like trying to walk through a swamp, so yeah moderators take Dennis's suggestions to the next level, reality.....  Dennis Dohogne   Take in consideration that there are certain times that more people view the forums then others and also there are certain days that have more traffic then other days.......  If I remember correctly it is between 8:00 am US EST and 1:00pm US EST and if I remember correctly Monday and Tuesday are the top days of the week.

                 

                The reason I wanted to mention that is if you post on another time or on another day of the week, there is a good chance that your post will drop to the bottom with not near enough exposure and I think there is something in the same line of thought for the Top Ten Idea forum/thread..

                 

                edited

                  • Re: Small Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier
                    Dennis Dohogne

                    John Stoltzfus, you are right-on about the timing, but that actually just helps to make my point.  I don't have all the time in the world to navigate the forums and the top ten list, so I'd like to see some simple tools to make it easier, and therefore faster, and therefore more likely that I (and others) will get the most out of our experience.  (I find it hard to call it a 3D experience!)  We get out of it what we put into it.  But it sure would be nice if we didn't have to work so hard doing it!

                     

                    A word to the forum moderators:  If you make it easy and intuitive more people will contribute and more people will benefit.  You could even rename the forum to something like "Easy Peazy, this forum's a Breazy!"

                     

                    (Apparently I have already mentally checked out for the Christmas weekend!!)

                • Re: Small Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier
                  Jeremy Feist

                  I would also suggest that a vote on an idea should not bump it to the top of the "recent" list - we are not looking for TRENDING ideas, but GOOD ideas.

                    • Re: Small Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier
                      Kelvin Lamport

                      we are not looking for TRENDING ideas, but GOOD ideas.

                      Well stated, Jeremy Feist

                      And in a similar vein, get rid of the Sort by score and Sort by most votes options.

                      In fact, a running tally of the votes need not be shown at all. That would eliminate the "Me too" votes.

                        • Re: Small Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier
                          Dennis Dohogne

                          Kelvin Lamport, I agree.  Voting should not be a popularity contest and removing this sort option or even the visibility of the score would help keep it real and on point.

                          • Re: Small Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier
                            Dennis Dohogne

                            Kelvin Lamport wrote:

                             

                            we are not looking for TRENDING ideas, but GOOD ideas.

                            Well stated, Jeremy.

                            And in a similar vein, get rid of the Sort by score and Sort by most votes options.

                            In fact, a running tally of the votes need not be shown at all. That would eliminate the "Me too" votes.

                            I just reread this post.  Moderators, PLEASE remove the visibility of the vote totals.  This does have an influence on the votes, but it should not.  In all other "elections" the votes are all cast before their tally is made public.  Let's do that here for the Top Ten list as well.  It will inherently force the votes to come from a person's own deliberations rather than following a trend or wanting to "vote for a winner".  We want the good best ideas to percolate to the top.

                              • Re: Small Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier
                                Jim Wilkinson

                                Dennis Dohogne wrote:

                                 

                                Kelvin Lamport wrote:

                                 

                                we are not looking for TRENDING ideas, but GOOD ideas.

                                Well stated, Jeremy.

                                And in a similar vein, get rid of the Sort by score and Sort by most votes options.

                                In fact, a running tally of the votes need not be shown at all. That would eliminate the "Me too" votes.

                                I just reread this post. Moderators, PLEASE remove the visibility of the vote totals. This does have an influence on the votes, but it should not. In all other "elections" the votes are all cast before their tally is made public. Let's do that here for the Top Ten list as well. It will inherently force the votes to come from a person's own deliberations rather than following a trend or wanting to "vote for a winner". We want the good best ideas to percolate to the top.

                                This is one of the things we dislike most about the current system too....it "leads the witness". But many things about the voting system that you (and we) dislike the most are not in our control because it is part of the forum platform that we use. As I believe has been said earlier by Matt, we are looking at improving these things in the future but it will take time because it is unfortunately not trivial.

                                 

                                Thanks,

                                Jim

                                  • Re: Small Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier
                                    Dennis Dohogne

                                    Jim Wilkinson wrote:

                                     

                                    But many things about the voting system that you (and we) dislike the most are not in our control because it is part of the forum platform that we use. As I believe has been said earlier by Matt, we are looking at improving these things in the future but it will take time because it is unfortunately not trivial.

                                     

                                    Thanks,

                                    Jim

                                    Understood.  But I (and others here) will continue to offer suggestions for improvements or at least requests for improvements, even if we don't know how to implement them.

                                     

                                    I'm a charter user of SWX (and even its predecessor, DesignView).  SWX has ALWAYS been strong at listening to the users.  You'll understand if I feel some of that listening has been lost in recent years.  That's all the more reason I appreciate your contributions here.

                                     

                                    We'll keep suggesting, asking, telling, and even complaining.  You (SWX) keep LISTENING and communicating with us and we'll get along just fine.

                                  • Re: Small Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier
                                    Rick McDonald

                                    I would add, that when the voting it finished and locked - then (and only then) show the Scores and sort options so we can see what got the most votes and how the voters wanted (or didn't want) different ideas.

                                    Edit:

                                    And make the final (after voting is complete) results available for ALL to see - whether or not the users are on subscription.

                                    • Re: What are Your Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier?
                                      Dwight Livingston

                                      Dennis Dohogne wrote:

                                       

                                      I just reread this post. Moderators, PLEASE remove the visibility of the vote totals.

                                      Right, Dennis already said it.

                                  • Re: What are Your Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier?
                                    Dwight Livingston

                                    Jeremy Feist wrote:

                                     

                                    I would also suggest that a vote on an idea should not bump it to the top of the "recent" list - we are not looking for TRENDING ideas, but GOOD ideas.

                                    Yes, I agree. I might suggest that vote counts are not shown at all.

                                    • Re: Small Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier
                                      John Stoltzfus

                                      Jeremy Feist  wrote:

                                       

                                      I would also suggest that a vote on an idea should not bump it to the top of the "recent" list - we are not looking for TRENDING ideas, but GOOD ideas.

                                      Having nothing to bump doesn't stir the pot so too speak and the initial Ideas would be buried so deep that no one would make it to page 36, much less even how it is right now, how many people go past the 1st page?, how many past the 5th page? and almost no one (percentage wise), goes past the tenth page of anything, except a good book..

                                       

                                      Unfortunately people are voting based on popularity, always will, most people will also vote on most anything that a Friend has posted.  So if you don't have a way to stir the pot then I want to have the opportunity to post the last Idea instead of the first..

                                       

                                      I'm not against making it better or changing it, but you would have to be careful how and what you change, you could easily make it a lot worse or worsererer.. 

                                    • Re: Small Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier
                                      Dennis Dohogne

                                      I am refreshing this thread as we get ready to vote.  We will soon see if the good folks at SWX have incorporated any of these ideas.  If not then we should tell them exactly how to make the voting better.  Please add you ideas.

                                      • Re: What are Your Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier?
                                        Dwight Livingston

                                        I liked that you had to open the Idea to vote on it. Many times I didn't understand the idea right away, and having to open it helped make me study it a bit more.

                                         

                                        It would be helpful to see what I have already voted on.

                                        • Re: What are Your Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier?
                                          David Matula

                                          did someone already say that there should be a heck no button.  Some ideas are great but some should not be added.  Cad Systems are different for reasons and that is why I used to like this one so much it did not have all the petty multiple ways of doing the same darn thing.  More and more people keep asking for it and soon it will be like some of the other cad programs.

                                            • Re: What are Your Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier?
                                              Dwight Livingston

                                              David Matula wrote:

                                               

                                              did someone already say that there should be a heck no button. Some ideas are great but some should not be added. Cad Systems are different for reasons and that is why I used to like this one so much it did not have all the petty multiple ways of doing the same darn thing. More and more people keep asking for it and soon it will be like some of the other cad programs.

                                              I don't know about "heck", but there is a "no" button. You can vote an idea down, by hitting the down-arrow button. In past years that would apply a -1 to the vote count. Ideas could even go into negative totals. This year they are counting the no votes separately, which I think is a good idea. We always suspected that the negative vote might be used for competitive reasons, so this seems a better way to voice your objections.

                                               

                                              Dwight

                                            • Re: What are Your Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier?
                                              Rebecca Bennett

                                              Has "Trashing the whole forum interface and starting over from a fresh updatable platform" been suggested yet? 

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                                              • Re: What are Your Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier?
                                                Glenn Schroeder

                                                My biggest suggestion doesn't directly answer your question, but I'd like to see something added to the top of every Idea prior to voting that says when voting starts.  I'm really tired of people asking "How Do I Vote" during the submittal period.

                                                 

                                                And while I'm on the subject, maybe they could fix it so that the voting arrows appear on all the Ideas for everyone when voting opens, but the first time someone tried to vote it would direct them to the R&D slider.

                                                  • Re: What are Your Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier?
                                                    Dennis Dohogne

                                                    Glenn Schroeder wrote:

                                                     

                                                    My biggest suggestion doesn't directly answer your question, but I'd like to see something added to the top of every Idea prior to voting that says when voting starts. I'm really tired of people asking "How Do I Vote" during the submittal period.

                                                     

                                                    And while I'm on the subject, maybe they could fix it so that the voting arrows appear on all the Ideas for everyone when voting opens, but the first time someone tried to vote it would direct them to the R&D slider.

                                                    I like it and agree.  Some of these things are so simple and would add such value, I sure hope SWX can implement these ideas.

                                                      • Re: What are Your Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier?
                                                        Jim Wilkinson

                                                        Dennis Dohogne wrote:

                                                        I like it and agree. Some of these things are so simple and would add such value, I sure hope SWX can implement these ideas.

                                                        You would hope they would be "simple"...but none of them are. Most of them are not even possible because the entire idea interface is part of the forum platform and there is very little customization available on SOLIDWORKSend. I know because I specifically looked at doing many of these things while I was at SOLIDWORKS.

                                                         

                                                        As you know, there is work being done on a new system that is more in SOLIDWORKS control. I can't comment on where that stands, mainly because I have no idea since I no longer work there!

                                                         

                                                        Thanks,

                                                        Jim

                                                          • Re: What are Your Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier?
                                                            Dennis Dohogne

                                                            Jim Wilkinson wrote:

                                                             

                                                            Dennis Dohogne wrote:

                                                            I like it and agree. Some of these things are so simple and would add such value, I sure hope SWX can implement these ideas.

                                                            You would hope they would be "simple"...but none of them are. Most of them are not even possible because the entire idea interface is part of the forum platform and there is very little customization available on SOLIDWORKSend. I know because I specifically looked at doing many of these things while I was at SOLIDWORKS.

                                                             

                                                            As you know, there is work being done on a new system that is more in SOLIDWORKS control. I can't comment on where that stands, mainly because I have no idea since I no longer work there!

                                                             

                                                            Thanks,

                                                            Jim

                                                            Jim,

                                                            1. Thanks!  As always your responses are thorough, clear, and helpful.

                                                            2. I figured things are pretty much stuck the way they are with the current hosting system, but I don't think we should stop asking for improvements.  Since SWX is doing something about it then our comments are even more important, and very timely.  Perhaps these ideas, though not achievable with the current system, can be motivation for the new system and incorporated when it eventually is rolled out.

                                                            3. Even if you had the inside scoop you couldn't tell us when it might roll out.

                                                      • Re: What are Your Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier?
                                                        Dennis Dohogne

                                                        Since a lot of people don't see the edited original post I'm copying this here:

                                                        I started this thread two years ago, but with the current voting activity I think it is time to solicit everyone’s ideas for improving the TTL voting. Please post your ideas to share with us all and with the good folks at SWX that are following this thread.

                                                        • Re: What are Your Suggestions for making Top Ten Voting Easier?
                                                          Dennis Dohogne

                                                          I will not be at SWWorld this year, but I am hoping Bruce Holway or John Sweeney reveal the new and improved ER/KB/TTL system.  I know this has been in work for over a year.

                                                           

                                                          Whether it is revealed at SWWorld or not, we should tell the good folks at SWX things that will make these systems better.  Please post your ideas/suggestions.  If you know of a particular website that has a good system please post a link for it so we can see.