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How can I do an emboss on top of an emboss on a cylindrical surface? One emboss is deeper than the other, I can make Solidworks 2012 take them, but the finished operations are not correct. It tries to make them both the same depth in places.

Question asked by John Huffman on Aug 13, 2016
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Below are the sketches of the logo that I want to emboss. These are 4 different sketches that

I'm wrapping onto the cylinder. The big number 9 is one sketch, the grid is another sketch, the text "SQUARE" is another, and the text "IN THE AIR with trademark" are the 4th sketch. The big number "9" i'm trying to deboss to a depth of .03 inches. All the

other sketches I'm debossing to a depth of .06 inches.

Here's what I'm getting when I do this. The grid and the big number "9" aren't quite right. It ends up making them both the same depth, .06 inches, even though the emboss for the "9" is set at .03 inches.

Here's a different molded part that has the logo debossed the way I want. Trying to achieve this with wrap on the cylindrical surface above. Would appreciate any thought on how to fix this. Maybe there's a different approach to use? I tried combining sketches into 1 and doing this, but the "9" and the grid don't play well together. You get open contours or overlapping contours, etc..

Dennis Bacon Aug 17, 2016 7:52 PM

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Excellent work John.. You did it all. All I had to do was > edit Surface-Offset2 > clear the selection (Wrap2) > right click near the 9 and select other - you should get the option for Face@Wrap2 - pick that and the 9 should highlight.

Then hide Surface-Offset1. You can do that right from the feature manager tree. Now your done. You did all the work just picked the wrong surface. It really was that simple. Once again,, great job.

I attached a parasolid so you can see what my model looks like. You should do a shaded with edges on it.

I would advise you to save your model with a different name (and work with that) just in case you need to go back to the original.

Edit I noticed that there is a sliver of material near the bottom of the 9 and your grid. It is hard to see. You probably should edit your grid or your 9 a tad to take care of that.

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Dennis Bacon Aug 13, 2016 10:49 AM

John,, You might try a surface offset and thicken cut. I used a wrap deboss and thicken cut on this. In order to get the thicken cut I offset the cylindrical surface 0 prior to the first wrap. Then did a wrap "scribe" on that with the 9. Didn't do the rest of the lettering (too lazy to crow today)but you get the idea.

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John Huffman @ Dennis Bacon on Aug 16, 2016 1:37 PM

Hey Dennis. Thanks so much, looks like you figured it out - the image you show is perfect!

Ok, so now I just need to figure out what you did. I tried messing around with this, but I'm getting errors and/or something different.

I did the following:

1. offset surface of my cylinder , 0 inches

2. wrap-debossed the grid (squares) onto the surface at a depth of .08 inches. (looks funny, no depth to the deboss.)

3. wrap-scribed the 9 onto the surface. - fails, rebuild errors

wasn't really sure what to do after that. this seems to be the same sequence you did.

what were the properties of surface offset 1? what were the properites of surface offset 2?

what were the properties of the thicken cut?

appreciate your help.

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Dennis Bacon @ John Huffman on Aug 16, 2016 4:18 PM

I think I know what you may have done. After I did the surface offset I hid it so I couldn't select it when I did Wrap1 with the deboss. Your wrap-deboss probably looks funny because you accidentally selected the offset instead of selecting the cylindrical boss. That would give you the look you described. I did it myself before I realized what was going on. When I did Wrap4 (with the scribe option) on the surface of the offset I hid the cylindrical boss so I would not select that. Then unhid the boss and select the faces produced by the wrap scribe and do a thicken cut with those surfaces. Then you can go to your Surface Bodies folder (should only be one surface) and hide that surface. I don't have 2012 on my computer or I would send you the file, but it is fairly easy. Just make sure you pick the correct features.

Oh yea,, Read your reply again. Surface offset2 is another 0 offset of the wrap (scribe). Then that is used to thicken cut.

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John Huffman @ Dennis Bacon on Aug 16, 2016 9:07 PM

ok, I really appreciate your help but I am so confused at this point. I am not a very advanced user so you're loosing me and I'm not understanding this well enough to fill in the blanks.

Would it be possible for you to describe what the surface and thickness are for each wrap-emboss, wrap-scribe, surface offset, and cut-thicken?

Here's what I tried below in the first screen shot of my feature tree.

My surface offset1 is 0 thickness of the cylinder. Then I hid surface-offset1 and did Wrap1-deboss of the grid with thickness of .08 inches. Then I hid the cylinder and unhid surface-offset1. Then I did a wrap scribe of the "Big 9" on surface-offset1. Then I did surface offset2 of the scribed "Big 9". And I get the 2nd screen shot below. There are no edges, no depth to anything on the "Big 9". If I try to do a cut-thicken on the surface-offset2 it doesn't work. I get an error message, the intended cut does not intersect the model.

Help! Pretty much lost in a Solidworks world of confusion at this point. I don't really understand what we're trying to do with the offsets, etc..

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John Huffman @ John Huffman on Aug 17, 2016 5:26 AM

Can you explain this for me? "Then unhid the boss and select the faces produced by the wrap scribe and do a thicken cut with those surfaces. Then you can go to your Surface Bodies folder (should only be one surface) and hide that surface."

When I do the scribe of the "big 9" I don't have surfaces I can use to do a thicken cut. There are no surfaces created by the scribe. What are you referring to?

Also, I have no idea what the "Surface Bodies folder" is and no idea which surface you want me to hide.

Please explain. I think we're on the cusp here, just need a little more explanation.

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Dennis Bacon @ John Huffman on Aug 17, 2016 5:41 AM

John,, I believe we are on the cusp also.. Can you attach your file?.. What you have so I can take a look?

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Dennis Bacon @ John Huffman on Aug 17, 2016 5:55 AM

This is what mine looks like before I hide Wrap4 (in 2016)

Not sure about 2012 but my surface bodies folder shows because I have it set to "automatic"..

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John Huffman @ Dennis Bacon on Aug 17, 2016 3:55 PM

Hey Dennis. I don't think 2012 has the surface bodies folder.

I've attached my file here. I've got Surface -offset1, Wrap1 of the grid on the cylinder, Wrap2 of the big 9 on the Surface-offset1, and Surface-Offset2. I tried to cut-thicken Surface-Offset2 but it won't let me, says it doesn't intersect the model.

Here's a screen shot with all surfaces showing. Note the cylinder is part of a sweep called "Sweep 3" up at the top of the tree.

I was able to add the Surfaces tab to my menus and I can now see the Thickened Cut icon. When I use this now it works, but the view is still not what you had. I'm not sure what I should thicken cut (which offset) or what the other options should be for this. I can

specify bodies to use for the thicken cut, and I can also specify side 1, side 2, or all sides. Not idea which I should do. Below is the screen shot of this with all sides and wrap1 selected for the body. I'm not sure what this is doing, but it doesn't always work when I go back to edit this. And the model doesn't look right after I'm done.

File is attached. Appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks!

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Dennis Bacon @ John Huffman on Aug 17, 2016 7:52 PM

Then hide Surface-Offset1. You can do that right from the feature manager tree. Now your done. You did all the work just picked the wrong surface. It really was that simple. Once again,, great job.

I attached a parasolid so you can see what my model looks like. You should do a shaded with edges on it.

I would advise you to save your model with a different name (and work with that) just in case you need to go back to the original.

Edit I noticed that there is a sliver of material near the bottom of the 9 and your grid. It is hard to see. You probably should edit your grid or your 9 a tad to take care of that.

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John Huffman @ Dennis Bacon on Aug 21, 2016 7:55 AM

Hi Dennis. Thanks again for all the help - that did it! I went back and added in the text and then tried to document more fully so I could repeat this again for the other parts that need the same treatment. Below is a screenshot of the finished part. This turned out great! Appreciate all the help with this.

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Tim Taby Aug 16, 2016 4:02 PM

Emboss the "9" and then put a cylindrical surface at the depth of the lines and do a straight extrude down to it.

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John Stoltzfus Aug 17, 2016 6:24 AM

You can always cut extrude up to a surface - so you could offset surfaces to the depth of the cut - the number 9 cut up to surface wouldn't be as deep.

You can also turn your sketches into a split line curve, which I would prefer for this type of modeling.

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Dennis Bacon Aug 13, 2016 10:49 AM
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John,, You might try a surface offset and thicken cut. I used a wrap deboss and thicken cut on this. In order to get the thicken cut I offset the cylindrical surface 0 prior to the first wrap. Then did a wrap "scribe" on that with the 9. Didn't do the rest of the lettering (too lazy to crow today)but you get the idea.
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- John Huffman @ Dennis Bacon on Aug 16, 2016 1:37 PM
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  Hey Dennis. Thanks so much, looks like you figured it out - the image you show is perfect!
  
  Ok, so now I just need to figure out what you did. I tried messing around with this, but I'm getting errors and/or something different.
  
  I did the following:
  1. offset surface of my cylinder , 0 inches
  2. wrap-debossed the grid (squares) onto the surface at a depth of .08 inches. (looks funny, no depth to the deboss.)
  3. wrap-scribed the 9 onto the surface. - fails, rebuild errors
  
  wasn't really sure what to do after that. this seems to be the same sequence you did.
  
  what were the properties of surface offset 1? what were the properites of surface offset 2?
  what were the properties of the thicken cut?
  
  appreciate your help.
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  - Dennis Bacon @ John Huffman on Aug 16, 2016 4:18 PM
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    I think I know what you may have done. After I did the surface offset I hid it so I couldn't select it when I did Wrap1 with the deboss. Your wrap-deboss probably looks funny because you accidentally selected the offset instead of selecting the cylindrical boss. That would give you the look you described. I did it myself before I realized what was going on. When I did Wrap4 (with the scribe option) on the surface of the offset I hid the cylindrical boss so I would not select that. Then unhid the boss and select the faces produced by the wrap scribe and do a thicken cut with those surfaces. Then you can go to your Surface Bodies folder (should only be one surface) and hide that surface. I don't have 2012 on my computer or I would send you the file, but it is fairly easy. Just make sure you pick the correct features.
    
    Oh yea,, Read your reply again. Surface offset2 is another 0 offset of the wrap (scribe). Then that is used to thicken cut.
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    - John Huffman @ Dennis Bacon on Aug 16, 2016 9:07 PM
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      ok, I really appreciate your help but I am so confused at this point. I am not a very advanced user so you're loosing me and I'm not understanding this well enough to fill in the blanks.
      
      Would it be possible for you to describe what the surface and thickness are for each wrap-emboss, wrap-scribe, surface offset, and cut-thicken?
      
      Here's what I tried below in the first screen shot of my feature tree.
      My surface offset1 is 0 thickness of the cylinder. Then I hid surface-offset1 and did Wrap1-deboss of the grid with thickness of .08 inches. Then I hid the cylinder and unhid surface-offset1. Then I did a wrap scribe of the "Big 9" on surface-offset1. Then I did surface offset2 of the scribed "Big 9". And I get the 2nd screen shot below. There are no edges, no depth to anything on the "Big 9". If I try to do a cut-thicken on the surface-offset2 it doesn't work. I get an error message, the intended cut does not intersect the model.
      
      Help! Pretty much lost in a Solidworks world of confusion at this point. I don't really understand what we're trying to do with the offsets, etc..
      
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      - John Huffman @ John Huffman on Aug 17, 2016 5:26 AM
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        Can you explain this for me? "Then unhid the boss and select the faces produced by the wrap scribe and do a thicken cut with those surfaces. Then you can go to your Surface Bodies folder (should only be one surface) and hide that surface."
        
        When I do the scribe of the "big 9" I don't have surfaces I can use to do a thicken cut. There are no surfaces created by the scribe. What are you referring to?
        
        Also, I have no idea what the "Surface Bodies folder" is and no idea which surface you want me to hide.
        
        Please explain. I think we're on the cusp here, just need a little more explanation.
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        Dennis Bacon @ John Huffman on Aug 17, 2016 5:41 AM
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        John,, I believe we are on the cusp also.. Can you attach your file?.. What you have so I can take a look?
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        Dennis Bacon @ John Huffman on Aug 17, 2016 5:55 AM
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        This is what mine looks like before I hide Wrap4 (in 2016)
        
        Not sure about 2012 but my surface bodies folder shows because I have it set to "automatic"..
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        John Huffman @ Dennis Bacon on Aug 17, 2016 3:55 PM
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        Hey Dennis. I don't think 2012 has the surface bodies folder.
        I've attached my file here. I've got Surface -offset1, Wrap1 of the grid on the cylinder, Wrap2 of the big 9 on the Surface-offset1, and Surface-Offset2. I tried to cut-thicken Surface-Offset2 but it won't let me, says it doesn't intersect the model.
        Here's a screen shot with all surfaces showing. Note the cylinder is part of a sweep called "Sweep 3" up at the top of the tree.
        I was able to add the Surfaces tab to my menus and I can now see the Thickened Cut icon. When I use this now it works, but the view is still not what you had. I'm not sure what I should thicken cut (which offset) or what the other options should be for this. I can
        specify bodies to use for the thicken cut, and I can also specify side 1, side 2, or all sides. Not idea which I should do. Below is the screen shot of this with all sides and wrap1 selected for the body. I'm not sure what this is doing, but it doesn't always work when I go back to edit this. And the model doesn't look right after I'm done.
        
        File is attached. Appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks!
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        3-way-connector-5mmwall-w_logo-4.SLDPRT.zip545.6 KB
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        Dennis Bacon @ John Huffman on Aug 17, 2016 7:52 PM
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        Excellent work John.. You did it all. All I had to do was > edit Surface-Offset2 > clear the selection (Wrap2) > right click near the 9 and select other - you should get the option for Face@Wrap2 - pick that and the 9 should highlight.
        
        Then hide Surface-Offset1. You can do that right from the feature manager tree. Now your done. You did all the work just picked the wrong surface. It really was that simple. Once again,, great job.
        I attached a parasolid so you can see what my model looks like. You should do a shaded with edges on it.
        I would advise you to save your model with a different name (and work with that) just in case you need to go back to the original.
        
        Edit I noticed that there is a sliver of material near the bottom of the 9 and your grid. It is hard to see. You probably should edit your grid or your 9 a tad to take care of that.
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        3-way-connector-5mmwall-w_logo-4_db.x_t.zip93.5 KB
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        John Huffman @ Dennis Bacon on Aug 21, 2016 7:55 AM
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        Hi Dennis. Thanks again for all the help - that did it! I went back and added in the text and then tried to document more fully so I could repeat this again for the other parts that need the same treatment. Below is a screenshot of the finished part. This turned out great! Appreciate all the help with this.
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Tim Taby Aug 16, 2016 4:02 PM
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Emboss the "9" and then put a cylindrical surface at the depth of the lines and do a straight extrude down to it.
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John Stoltzfus Aug 17, 2016 6:24 AM
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You can always cut extrude up to a surface - so you could offset surfaces to the depth of the cut - the number 9 cut up to surface wouldn't be as deep.

You can also turn your sketches into a split line curve, which I would prefer for this type of modeling.
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How can I do an emboss on top of an emboss on a cylindrical surface? One emboss is deeper than the other, I can make Solidworks 2012 take them, but the finished operations are not correct. It tries to make them both the same depth in places.

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