We have an Amada HG 2204 press brake with an Amada Fiber Laser. Looking for recommendations to what sheet metal programming software you are using.
We use Radan here with Amada press brakes. You might want to check it out.
I'd second Radan. My last place I got them to buy it after headaches of trying to get support from other companies. It's flexible in that you can use it on multiple makes of machines. Salvagnini L2, Trumpf 2020, Trumpf 5000. Better/higher efficiency nesting, faster run times, easier to program punch parts...... Programming a customers order went from a guy spending 8-12 hours/week programming and 80% sheet efficiency to 2-3 hours programming and close to 90% yield.
After I left, the engineer who left a year before I did came back.....and apparently he convinced them to get rid of it. He just plain old didn't get the software. I'd get better yields and could program faster, but he threw hissy fits about it because it wasn't the same. Let's just say they have brought a guy in from the floor to program because the other software isn't too friendly.
We used it for the press brakes....or should I say tried to. Too much tribal knowledge and resistance to change from the shop.
Thanks, guys. This is a good start. I am having an issue supporting other software myself which is why we are looking. Just had 4 days of downtime last week due to an upgrade failure. I know we are going to get some pushback from our current programmers because the software will be different, but they will have to get over it.
I'm in WI too, so hopefully you'd get the same support group from Radan (James Arneson? was the sales guy). When I had to deal with Radan they would stay on the line until issues were fixed. If they couldn't do it the same day, they'd send updates or call with the status every day. The other companies I'd call in. And if I was lucky enough to get a tech support person, they were less than helpful. In fact, I was hung up on. So that was the last straw.
Good luck with the change if you make it. Get ready for the : "This is stupid." "This is junk." "Why can't we just use the program that works" comments. Once we got through the transition, the guys on the punches and laser were on board. The only people that weren't....left.
We had 4 separate techs on this one issue. I asked the first one for updates, etc and got nothing. Then he went on the road and didn't say anything. They actually sent one guy here without telling us. He walked into a sh1t-storm. Their recommendations for keeping the software running goes against everything in IT. Don't put it on the domain, don't put anti-virus on, can't virtualize it....
James did give me a call. Nice guy. Our Amada Controller is too new. He (Radan) can post the numerics to the press, but we would lose all the graphics. Will have to see how important that is to our operators. Thanks for the info.
How old are your press brakes, as in what controller? We have a new one that uses the SDDJ database and it's all locked up. To use Radan or anything else, we would lose all our graphics on our controller.
We're on Radan too. It's been pretty well received so far. Anytime we have issues, a tech support guy (we have 2 guys cell numbers) will either talk us through the fix or set up a webex session and fix the issue remotely. We tried out RadBend which is the bending software made by Radan. It's pretty good but we didn't use it almost at all because we don't have the available staff to program it. We run and program sheet metal all day, every day. We're using an Amada Vipros punch, 2 Murata punches, and a Safan press brake.
Excuse me for breaking into this post, but I was curious the two users here of RADAN how
long have you used this, right now I use Anderson cadcam which is no longer sold and or
supported, I fine it works good but if it pukes and I can't get it going again we'll need something
new and I'm retiring in a year so I'm thinking we'll need something before then so we can keep
I had a bad experience in the mid to late 90's with RADAN, I'd gone to school for it thinking we'd
buy it, but it ran so badly I and my partner left after a couple days. Because what we had ran better
that RADAN, you could tell they were just trying to convert it to run on windows, being it came
from UNIX operating system.
I'd rather hear from people who use it than a salesman (LOL) if you know what I mean.
I only live about twenty mile from the Forest Lake, MN, sales office also.
We have been using it for about a year. The support has been very good. We like it because it can be used with our Amada's, Trumpf's and etc. Our experience has been good so far.
I'd suggest calling them and have them come in to talk if you are that close.
I used it for 2+ years before I left. Our main issues were: 1) Horrible support from Trumpf and Salvagnini. 2) Single floating license for Trumpf and a dongle for Salvagnini. Radan were floating licenses for all machines. It was a pain in the &^% when I had to to some quick programming and the other guys was trudging along.
We got them to give us a trial period of 30-45 days so we could do some testing. We worked some of the main bugs and tested out the interface.
Like I said before, the time it saved from our one customer's weekly order was invaluable. 4-6 different gauges of material, 140-270 different parts number, all different quantities every week. There was another customer that we went from custom shearing SS, then individual programs for each size.....down to getting the list of sizes and nesting then all together. Anywhere from a handful of sizes to 50-60 sizes, all different quantities. That's through an project add-in which of course cost some money. But if you save enough time that a guy on the floor doesn't need to program 8-12 hours a week, plus I can get all of my programming done and not work 60 hours a week....that's definitely worth it.
If you go into it with an open mind that things are going to change, you shouldn't be disappointed. But if you go in with a stubborn attitude (engineer not liking the new interface, shop floor not liking the new job sheets....literally....they complained about the job sheets) be prepared to stay the same.
Craig, I feel your pain big time with Salvagnini can't believe how bad they are we have robo-former,
we'd never bought it if we would have known that, try buying a part in August if it breaks down, the
whole company shuts down for vacation and you wait till September.
Thanks guys for your input on RADAN.
The brass didn't learn their lesson with the L2 laser...... They went and bought a used P2 panel bender a little over a year before I left. What a cluster "fudge". I think it was taken apart more than it was running. You'd think they could associate the craptastic track record of the part removal robot that worked for about a month with the next wonder of automation from Salvagnini.
Our Manufacturing Engineering team is just about at the end of their trial period with SegmaBend and so far it looks to be the answer for us. They choose SigmaBend because we use SigmaNest. Unfortunately they do not talk to each other at this point but they said they will be working on it.
Hope all is going well on your end!
I tried to call you to talk about this. You weren't there. With some of the things that Sigmanest and Bend are doing I liked them too. I like that they are working on being able to work with SW PDM and their ERP linking as well.
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