"Are you bringing donuts?" Other than that most important
question, you've opened a pretty broad topic! Why do you need PDM
and how can this software help you do your job better?
If your VAR is worth their cut of the licensing fees you pay,
THEY should be asking YOU the questions. They are the experts
(supposedly) and should be asking you how you do business now. Then
they can say, "How would you like to be able to do this and that in
additon to what you do now?" Afterwards, they can tailor PDM to
suit your needs.
I doubt he will bring either, I just want him to buy lunch
I understand it is a rather big topic, but we have never used PDM,
so we are starting from scratch. I was hoping somebody who had been
thru this could offer a little insight into the process.
My question wasn't for you...it was for you to ask your VAR:
"Why do I need PDM and how can this software help me do my job
better?" Like Glenn said, if they have done their homework, they
should know how you do business and know what value PDM would have
for you. It all comes down to your return on investment.
Once you get past the hurdle if you need PDM or not,
then you can start comparing programs and the questions can
get nitty-gritty.
Without knowing your business, listing cool features for you to
look for would be a difficult task. Though generally if you are a
SolidWorks house, your designers are going to want good SolidWorks
integration.
Some things to keep in mind are:
How do you manage your engineering documentation now?
What is your revision scheme?
What is your "document of record"? (for us it is a PDF of the SW
drawing.)
Do you have an approval process? Do you want it automated and
documented?
Does your company have more than one location that need access to
SolidWorks data?
How do you organize your projects? (by project or by part number)
These are just some of the questions to get you started.
Let me it put it this way, after 20 years my company is
finally moving to a PDM product, currently we have nothing in
place. I have been here just 5 years and I have been trying to get
them to do something, only now have I made my case.
Basically we are starting from zero, and need a solution to handle
thousands of documents, Microsoft Office, Solidworks 2007, AutoCad
2002, MathCad, some ProE and Pads files thrown in for spice.
ECN's are done in meetings and end up envovling lots of copying
and had delivery, we want to move to a complete paperless system,
and need to find something robust and simple to use.
As to Jeff's reply we are a Solidworks house and I do a lot of the
change/design functions in Solidworks, they give me
napkins(seriously) I turn them 3D.
In answer to Glen's reply, we do all of that currently as
explained above, we just do it badly and waste reams of
paper.
Yes, it can. I believe you can load any file into PDMWorks.
However, you can only "view" (from within the browser) certain file
types. The help file says:
"SolidWorks, Microsoft® Word, Excel, PowerPoint®,
AutoDesk Inventor®, or AutoCAD® document" and I'm pretty
sure it can view PDF's, too.
Obviously, it handles SW data better and controls relationships
between files. But with non SW data you have to manually create
references if you want them.
We have a seperate ERP system that manages ECN's and BOM's so I'm
not sure how best PDMWorks could be used for those but I'm sure you
could make it work. Perhaps someone else out there is using
PDMWorks like this and could comment??
You can do quite a bit with PDMWorks but it is not a full blown
PDM. With some thought and creativity, you may be able to get
PDMWorks to do everything you need. I mentioned those other
applications because they've already done all the thinking for you
and can offer a complete solution.
I would recommend talking with your VAR and then set up a test
installation of PDMWorks and play with it. Try different documents,
workflows, lifecycles, revision schemes, etc. That's how we first
got started.
would recommend talking with your VAR and then set up a test
installation of PDMWorks and play with it. Try different documents,
workflows, lifecycles, revision schemes, etc. That's how we first
got started.
We have been attempting to get a eval copy of PDmWorks, but
so far it is slow sledding, not sure if or when we will get one. As
I said before, we do have a demo coming up, but I am not sure if
that will be as helpful.
Glen is it possible you are confusing PDMWorks Enterprise
with PDMWorks Workgroup? While Enterprise is not an ERP, why would
you say it is not a full blown PDM? -Granted the definitions of
both of those terms is rather fuzzy.
PDMWorks can handle any file type, though I would not include files
that allow more than one person write access at a time (i.e. MS
Access...and there are a few others that aren't very Windows
compliant.). PDMWorks Enterprise can view several hundred file
types out of the box...and the viewer is simply an ActiveX
application, so with an ActiveX viewer, you could (sometimes with
programming, sometimes with nothing more than in install) be able
to view any file type you want to.
Sorry, when I say PDMWorks I think of Workgroups which is not
a full blown PDM. I believe that Jonathan is looking at Workgroups
and not Enterprise but I could be wrong. I don't have any
experience with Enterprise so I can't comment.
Sorry, when I say PDMWorks I think of Workgroups which is not a
full blown PDM. I believe that Jonathan is looking at Workgroups
and not Enterprise but I could be wrong. I don't have any
experience with Enterprise so I can't comment.
It is Enterprise that we are considering not workgroups,
sorry for the confusion.
Jonathan,
We are very happy with PDMWE and our VAR does an adequate job...But
here are some things we didn't ask.
How do you charge for support?
Do we get a invoice for these charges on a regular basis?
If the time we were charged for was later determined to be a bug in
the software will we be credited?
Will you be available after hours when we do upgrades?
You will like PDMWE, easy setup, quick learning curve for users,
and little maintance.
I was curious about your research into PDMWE as this was about a
month ago. We are looking at PDMWE and Adept as solutions for our
company. I am trying to find pros/cons for each system and compare
them against our needs. We already have an ERP system that we will
export data to. We currently have about 140,000 documents that need
to be managed in the system between active projects and archives.
One group is a SW group, the other ProE. We sit in multiple
locations. Each group has different processes for workflow. Anyone
have any pros/cons/redflags to for me.
RE:"We already have an ERP system that we will export data to."
PDMWorks Enterprise can export data to ERP systems.
"We currently have about 140,000 documents that need to be managed
in the system between active projects and archives." PDMWE
includes Windows 2005 SQL Server STD Edition.
"One group is a SW group, the other ProE." Starting with SP4, PDMWE
will keep track of the references in ProE files.
"We sit in multiple locations." PDMWE offers Replication to
multiple sites. Replication and Backups come standard out of the
box in PDMWE.
"Each group has different processes for workflow." PDMWE offers
multiple WorkFlows.
Since PDMWE is a SolidWorks product, support and training come from
one source.
I'm sorry for the delay, I've been very busy and out of town.
"When you say it will track references do you mean it will maintain
parent/child relationships and meta data?" Yes
"Do you know when the SP4 will be hitting the market? And do you
have any cost information?" Very soon, within the next few weeks is
my best guess.
Cost estimates come from the VAR (value added reseller), contact
the local VARs in your area. They should be happy to give you exact
price information. Ask for implementation and training prices too.
Discuss different implementation and training senarios that meet
your company's specific needs.
Sorry for the delay, but it's been a mad house at times here.
But to answer your question, we are still working on it, I believe
we are getting a demo in for at least 30 days maybe longer. Later
this week we are doing a teleconfrence with DbWorks. We haven't
looked at Adept yet. But considering the cost (at least 50K) we are
taking our time. So far our VAR in conjunction with Solidworks has
been anwering questions. But until we have our hands on it, we
won't know how it will perform in our environment.
However, I'd prefer bagels.
I understand it is a rather big topic, but we have never used PDM, so we are starting from scratch. I was hoping somebody who had been thru this could offer a little insight into the process.
Once you get past the hurdle if you need PDM or not, then you can start comparing programs and the questions can get nitty-gritty.
Without knowing your business, listing cool features for you to look for would be a difficult task. Though generally if you are a SolidWorks house, your designers are going to want good SolidWorks integration.
How do you manage your engineering documentation now?
What is your revision scheme?
What is your "document of record"? (for us it is a PDF of the SW drawing.)
Do you have an approval process? Do you want it automated and documented?
Does your company have more than one location that need access to SolidWorks data?
How do you organize your projects? (by project or by part number)
These are just some of the questions to get you started.
Basically we are starting from zero, and need a solution to handle thousands of documents, Microsoft Office, Solidworks 2007, AutoCad 2002, MathCad, some ProE and Pads files thrown in for spice.
ECN's are done in meetings and end up envovling lots of copying and had delivery, we want to move to a complete paperless system, and need to find something robust and simple to use.
As to Jeff's reply we are a Solidworks house and I do a lot of the change/design functions in Solidworks, they give me napkins(seriously) I turn them 3D.
In answer to Glen's reply, we do all of that currently as explained above, we just do it badly and waste reams of paper.
You might be better served if you look at something like "Agile".
http://sme.agile.com/default.asp
You may also want to look at "Adept".
http://www.synergis-adept.com/solidworks.shtml
I've seen demos of these and they are quite impressive and would help you manage more than just SolidWorks data.
"SolidWorks, Microsoft® Word, Excel, PowerPoint®, AutoDesk Inventor®, or AutoCAD® document" and I'm pretty sure it can view PDF's, too.
Obviously, it handles SW data better and controls relationships between files. But with non SW data you have to manually create references if you want them.
We have a seperate ERP system that manages ECN's and BOM's so I'm not sure how best PDMWorks could be used for those but I'm sure you could make it work. Perhaps someone else out there is using PDMWorks like this and could comment??
You can do quite a bit with PDMWorks but it is not a full blown PDM. With some thought and creativity, you may be able to get PDMWorks to do everything you need. I mentioned those other applications because they've already done all the thinking for you and can offer a complete solution.
I would recommend talking with your VAR and then set up a test installation of PDMWorks and play with it. Try different documents, workflows, lifecycles, revision schemes, etc. That's how we first got started.
PDMWorks can handle any file type, though I would not include files that allow more than one person write access at a time (i.e. MS Access...and there are a few others that aren't very Windows compliant.). PDMWorks Enterprise can view several hundred file types out of the box...and the viewer is simply an ActiveX application, so with an ActiveX viewer, you could (sometimes with programming, sometimes with nothing more than in install) be able to view any file type you want to.
We are very happy with PDMWE and our VAR does an adequate job...But here are some things we didn't ask.
How do you charge for support?
Do we get a invoice for these charges on a regular basis?
If the time we were charged for was later determined to be a bug in the software will we be credited?
Will you be available after hours when we do upgrades?
You will like PDMWE, easy setup, quick learning curve for users, and little maintance.
I was curious about your research into PDMWE as this was about a month ago. We are looking at PDMWE and Adept as solutions for our company. I am trying to find pros/cons for each system and compare them against our needs. We already have an ERP system that we will export data to. We currently have about 140,000 documents that need to be managed in the system between active projects and archives. One group is a SW group, the other ProE. We sit in multiple locations. Each group has different processes for workflow. Anyone have any pros/cons/redflags to for me.
Stacey Wilcox
Project Engineer
RE:"We already have an ERP system that we will export data to." PDMWorks Enterprise can export data to ERP systems.
"We currently have about 140,000 documents that need to be managed in the system between active projects and archives." PDMWE includes Windows 2005 SQL Server STD Edition.
"One group is a SW group, the other ProE." Starting with SP4, PDMWE will keep track of the references in ProE files.
"We sit in multiple locations." PDMWE offers Replication to multiple sites. Replication and Backups come standard out of the box in PDMWE.
"Each group has different processes for workflow." PDMWE offers multiple WorkFlows.
Since PDMWE is a SolidWorks product, support and training come from one source.
Thanks for the information.
"One group is a SW group, the other ProE." Starting with SP4, PDMWE will keep track of the references in ProE files.
When you say it will track references do you mean it will maintain parent/child relationships and meta data?
Do you know when the SP4 will be hitting the market? And do you have any cost information?
I'm sorry for the delay, I've been very busy and out of town.
"When you say it will track references do you mean it will maintain parent/child relationships and meta data?" Yes
"Do you know when the SP4 will be hitting the market? And do you have any cost information?" Very soon, within the next few weeks is my best guess.
Cost estimates come from the VAR (value added reseller), contact the local VARs in your area. They should be happy to give you exact price information. Ask for implementation and training prices too. Discuss different implementation and training senarios that meet your company's specific needs.
Sorry for the delay, but it's been a mad house at times here.
But to answer your question, we are still working on it, I believe we are getting a demo in for at least 30 days maybe longer. Later this week we are doing a teleconfrence with DbWorks. We haven't looked at Adept yet. But considering the cost (at least 50K) we are taking our time. So far our VAR in conjunction with Solidworks has been anwering questions. But until we have our hands on it, we won't know how it will perform in our environment.
Jon