FeatureManager Design Tree

Discussion created by George Reilly on Mar 24, 2008
Latest reply on Apr 3, 2008 by Mark Matthews

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After going to SW2008 one of our engineers noticed that the Design Tree no longer lists the features with the Prefix Base-, Boss-, or Cut-
Everything lists as Extrude1, Extrude2, and Extrude3. However when I looked into the "What's New" pdfpage 1-5 clearly shows an example of using the Filtering option and searching for "Cut" to obtain all of the Cut-Extrudes???

Did we inadvertanly change a System Option somewhere?

Before 2008: After2008:
Base-Extrude1 Extrude1
Boss-Extrude1 Extrude2
Cut-Extrude1 Extrude3

The small icons are correct but the Descriptions have changed.

George

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Wayne Tiffany Mar 24, 2008 4:12 PM
We see the same thing here but I just figured it was a change based on the fact that you can now drag the extrude to be either a boss or cut. The fact that some documentation shows the old verbiage, leads me to think it was a late change.

WT
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- Devon Sowell @ Wayne Tiffany on Mar 24, 2008 7:19 PM
  Try disabling "Instant 3D" and see if the Feature Names change back.
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  - Charles Culp @ Devon Sowell on Mar 24, 2008 7:35 PM
    Even with Instant3D turned off, the nomenclature still stays the same. The same thing happens across the board here, too.
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Matt Lombard Mar 24, 2008 7:57 PM
Good catch on the cut/boss. I think it is helpful to have the words cut or boss in there. Or at least the word cut, maybe boss can be assumed. Cut sweeps and lofts still get the "cut" prefix. It must be because of what Wayne said. The dragging a boss to a cut is a neat demo trick, but I haven't had a use for it.

The "base" terminology has been obsolete for 5 years, but some of the SW documentation and even parts of the interface still has it. Ever since multibodies were introuduced, the concept of a "base" feature has been non-existent because you can reorder the first feature.
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Kelvin Lamport Mar 24, 2008 10:26 PM
If the features are renamed to a logical function name (e.g. Grating Recess, O-ring Groove, Pivot Hole Bridge, Bumper Ring, etc) when they are created, the lack of a "cut" or "boss" designation problem is eliminated.
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- Bill Rose @ Kelvin Lamport on Apr 3, 2008 12:25 PM
  
  Kelvin Lamport wrote:
  
  If the features are renamed to a logical function name ....
  
  I'm the only one in our company that does that. Everyone else uses the default names. I'd like at least the Cut- to be put back in the naming default. The tree's icons are too small to be of any value.
  
  BTW, the icon changes when you change a boss to a cut, so the name could change too (if it hasn't been edited).....Bill
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- Mark Matthews @ Kelvin Lamport on Apr 3, 2008 2:52 PM
  Coming from Pro-E land, this naming of extrudes without an indication of boss or cut is the default. In Pro they can be redefined to be either, as with instant 3-d. I have long been used to naming the features in a large model so that I know what features to go to when changes need to be made later (sometimes much later). SW is much freindlier in naming things in that you can use spaces, caps and lowercase, and stick features in folders.
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Charles Culp Mar 25, 2008 12:57 AM
The only kicker (and this just happened to me this morning, in fact) is that I will sometimes think that I'm not doing a cut when I am using the extrude-cut feature. What I mean is, I will create a sketch, then select "Extrude-Cut", which on my toolbar is right next to "Extrude-Boss". When it appears in the FeatureManager, it just says "extrude". So if I'm not paying attention, I think "boy, I didn't want to extrude, I wanted to cut". So I cancel out, only to find out that it WAS the extrude cut command.

This is usually when it it time to take a breather, and step away from the computer for a few minutes; so maybe we can call it the "you need a break" feature...
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- Devon Sowell @ Charles Culp on Mar 25, 2008 9:53 AM
  Shown are two examples from version 2008;
  
  One shows a Part made in an older version and the Base/Boss Extrude Feature Names remain.
  
  In the second example is a New Part created in 2008 and the Features have different names.
  
  That's slightly confusing.
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Brian Hoerner Mar 25, 2008 11:19 AM
I have to agree with Wayne, this is most likely because of the ability to change the feature from an extrude boss to an extrude cut, I can't imagine it would be the easiest programming to rename if you change the feature from a cut to a boss.
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