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please review the SW 2016 SP3

Question asked by Ben D. on Apr 18, 2016
Latest reply on May 4, 2016 by Ted Neff

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I would like to ask users who have already installed sp3 to review this release.

I have read that some important bugs have been fixed, e.g. Pack and go loosing references - fixed. Also, the old icon colors are partly available due to possibility to set the "Classic" color scheme, which might be important for some users.

But still, some users report quite problematic new bugs, like this:

SW 2016 issue. Links between components Global Variables in assembly are broken.

So, I would like to ask users who already use 2016 SP3 daily with average load and above (assemblies with some 1000+ components, or parts with large feature trees, external references etc) and can evaluate this release and if it is already safe to start working with. Bugs, stability, performance, new UI appearance etc.

As long as moving from 2015 version - there is no way of turning back, so I am interested if this is already good and safe enough to turn to.

Thank you for your advice

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Chris Clouser Apr 18, 2016 4:37 PM
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Many of the problems I was having after SP1 seem to be better. Less crashing. I don't do a lot of external references or equations if I can get away without all the extra risk.

I'm not going to say it's flawless, but I'm able to use it now. Some of the bugs I've seen aren't show-stoppers.

I do have 16 SPR's sitting on the Open list, though.

If you're concerned, the best thing to do is set up a test computer and play around with some of your bigger files.
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Richard Wagenaar Apr 18, 2016 6:08 PM
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I find it has very slow response time for the most used commands like
selecting and editing dimension when compared to 2015. There are
also still font issues on high resolution screens.
Did you compare the time it takes to select/edit a dimension with 2015
and 2016 in a big assembly (>1000 parts)
You should check that to find if you have that problem.
We will not be using it before that problem is fixed. I hope it is my
computer but I already have tested on 2 different PC.

Solidworks high resolution screen problems still not solved

Slow response SW2016
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- Ben D. @ Richard Wagenaar on Apr 23, 2016 3:01 AM
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  Richard Wagenaar wrote:
  
  I find it has very slow response time for the most used commands like
  selecting and editing dimension when compared to 2015. There are
  also still font issues on high resolution screens.
  Did you compare the time it takes to select/edit a dimension with 2015
  and 2016 in a big assembly (>1000 parts)
  You should check that to find if you have that problem.
  We will not be using it before that problem is fixed. I hope it is my
  computer but I already have tested on 2 different PC.
  
  Solidworks high resolution screen problems still not solved
  
  Slow response SW2016
  
  Richard, thank you for your input. About the dimensions: my smallest projects take more than 1000 simple parts, usually weldment beams and simple solids (it is around 300 unique parts), but if I use chain component pattern - then it increases drastically. So this is very important to me too. Have you discussed with your VAR this issue? Do they have any suggestions?
  Does anybody else here noticed this?
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David Sloop Apr 19, 2016 1:18 PM
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I updated to SP3 and played around with it yesterday. Much more usable.
The assembly feature tree still looks very blue, though.
My biggest issue now is that we're still using 2015 as our production release, for now, but after updating 2016 to SP3 (on same machine) suddenly my hole wizard isn't wanting to work in 2015.Tried changing the search directory, but it just doesn't want to work.
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- Dennis Dohogne @ David Sloop on Apr 19, 2016 2:01 PM
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  David, I'd bet some money that when you installed 2016 you inadvertently updated your Toolbox. If that's the case you have some work to try to reconstruct your 2015 Toolbox. If you have to do that you can try to do a repair of your SWX2015 and maybe get a virgin version of the 2015 Toolbox (make sure you store it in a separate location from your old/2016 version). If you have Toolbox customizations you should be able to replicate it by exporting the various fastener settings to a spreadsheet from 2016 and then reimporting those spreadsheets to your 2015 version.
  
  Let us know what you do to resolve this.
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  - David Sloop @ Dennis Dohogne on Apr 21, 2016 10:10 AM
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    I had 2016 installed alongside 2015 and was using 2015 just fine till I updated to SP3.
    Spent a lot of yesterday messing with it and finally got it fixed.
    I uninstalled toolbox thru the Control panel, renamed the toolbox folder (old), and made a new one with the same name.
    Then I did a repair install on 2015, and it fixed it.
    That's the short version. Took many failed attempts to finally arrive at this solution.
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- Paul Risley @ David Sloop on Apr 22, 2016 3:02 PM
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  Similar problem. But we were missing data links to geometry symbols. We had to re-establish a link to it in our folder structure. About an hour with our VAR to resolve that one.
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Alex Sheydayi Apr 20, 2016 6:14 PM
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I just upgraded - I can say that large assemblies (~180 parts) is noticeably slower in loading than 2015. I don't have real time numbers, but I'd guess 25-50% slower.
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- Ben D. @ Alex Sheydayi on Apr 23, 2016 3:05 AM
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  Alex - what do you mean by "slower" ? Is it only the loading time (initial open), or overall lag (editing dimensions in assembly, rebuild times, etc)? Can you confirm that you are comparing the speed of the same "modes" of SW: resolved to resolved, or lightweight to lightweight?
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Tapani Sjoman Apr 22, 2016 10:18 AM
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Just want to say thanks for getting colors back to icons!
Still missing a way to set feature tree background color in options!
SW2016 SP3.0 running fine here!
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Paul Risley Apr 22, 2016 3:08 PM
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Instant 2d was a pain, some other hiccups. We work in virtual parts, top down and in context assemblies. None of our issues have been show stoppers.
The hardest part we have seen so far is the interface. Light non-descript icons are hard on the eyes.

Our Var has been helpful in the slight bugs we have seen such as paths lost for simple things like geo tolerance symbols.

Overall not a bad upgrade, but no improvement really over what was there. Since we had one customer who upgraded we had to as well.

In a nutshell on complex assemblies we have seen neither imrovement nor catastrophic failure at this point.

As far as P & G goes very rarely do we get to use it as everything we make is usually in context in some form or another, so someone else would have to chime in on that front.
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- Ben D. @ Paul Risley on Apr 23, 2016 3:19 AM
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  Paul Risley wrote:
  
  Instant 2d was a pain, some other hiccups. We work in virtual parts, top down and in context assemblies. None of our issues have been show stoppers.
  The hardest part we have seen so far is the interface. Light non-descript icons are hard on the eyes.
  
  Our Var has been helpful in the slight bugs we have seen such as paths lost for simple things like geo tolerance symbols.
  
  Overall not a bad upgrade, but no improvement really over what was there. Since we had one customer who upgraded we had to as well.
  
  In a nutshell on complex assemblies we have seen neither imrovement nor catastrophic failure at this point.
  
  As far as P & G goes very rarely do we get to use it as everything we make is usually in context in some form or another, so someone else would have to chime in on that front.
  
  Paul, thank you very much for this detailed input
  Did you mean instant 3D?
  You mentioned the interface - do you still mean the classic icons on SP3 are still not good enough for many hours per day work? Most of them have colors now, though some of them stayed colorless, including some background colors. Please specify if your problems on interface continues on SP3, this is a very interesting topic Over a thousand messages were written discussing the "blue" interface prior to sp3
  
  I am only thinking about the upgrade, because with 2015 SP5 I have several crashes per day, and I also have to restart SW several times per day when I start to see some hiccups before it actually crashes. I have tried everything, including graphics drivers and so on, and nothing helps. It is just a problematic release. But as long as there is no way back after the upgrade, I am afraid to jump "from wolf to a lion". And at the moment I don't have time to deeply test the release without doing the actual work ...
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  - Paul Risley @ Ben D. on Apr 25, 2016 7:25 AM
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    Instant 2d is a new feature for 2016, there are numerous threads on how to disable it. It is automatically turned on in the new version of Solidworks.
    The blue interface is only gone on a part level basis, since we work primarily in top down assembly structure the only time you see contrasting colors is at the part definition levels.
    For the first couple of hours a day it is manageable, but by the end of the day the monochromatic scheme gets very tiring on the eyes.
    I am going to be uploading a snapshot from within one of our assemblies to demonstrate what we see every day with it.
    
    Part #RTM1622-10 is defined and in assembly
    
    Part#RTF1618-10 is suppressed
    
    Part#2324-016 is hidden
    
    Next part in tree is expanded to show where the changes are in SP03.
    
    Hope this shows you what SP03 addressed and what is still needing work on.
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Tom Brosz Apr 24, 2016 11:54 PM
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I just installed SP3 for SW 2016, and I'm a little nervous since it crashed three times during the construction of a very simple set of parts. The crashes were all during sketch mode.
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Chris Clouser May 4, 2016 5:29 PM
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As I mentioned, crashing a lot less than SP1 and 2, but just had a very embarrassing crash in front of a client this morning.
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Ted Neff May 4, 2016 6:55 PM
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I have only opened a few files, but every drawing has begun looking for two fonts (that I don't think I have ever used) and all the dimensions are relocated waaaaay off the side of the sheet.

They did not fix the icons, they sort of changed them for part files.

All in all - it still sucks.
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