Not a fan of all of this AI getting in the way of getting work done.
An Engineer just down the cube from me always asks the questions about whether or not the new interface is more or less "Coco the Monkey" icon based. I'm not sure which way we're going here but is SW 2018 and Creo not very similar in that they both have icons and keyboard shortcuts and such?
"Coco the Monkey" - not sure what that means but I like that description...
... some AI using sign language..
First of all....I am not sure that I would consider the programming inside Solidworks "AI". (although I will say that I am not using Solidworks 2018, so maybe there is some sort cool HAL interface that I don't know about).
Second of all.....would you care to share anything specific about your issue? It seems that you are assuming that every single user shares your opinion, and if that were the case....then Solidworks would never have gone that direction to begin with.....or at least would have changed it immediately.
So, give us specifics and maybe we can help you. The question as you have it worded just comes through as a rant.
Not trying to pick on you, but if this is a serious question, then please be more specific, and we would be glad to help.
If this isn't a serious question, then please delete it.
Tell me exactly where I told otherwise to confuse you utterly.
Like others, not sure what your point/question here??? please be more specific !
It is a rant, one with substance. A specific example: Complex grid valve array with a huge number of mates in it was stable (barely) in 2014. Open in 2018 and it is no longer stable. Resolve to correct this because it adversely impacts a need-it-now project. Mates now treated as assembly entities and an "ARE YOU SURE" dialog pops up after highlighting and pressing "delete". Before pressing delete was the end of it, mate gone. So instead of the much ballywhoed reduction in mouse clicks I now have more to get to the same point. Those "ARE YOU SURE" dialog boxes are what I disliked the most about Pro/E. Let me be really, really clear how much I dislike those dialogs.
While trying to do this I'm also getting some type of options pop-up that I didn't ask for and doesn't do me any good as it is temporarily in the way of the right button options that I do want. That is the root of the "AI" comment.
I'm sure some of the "improvements" will prove worthwhile, but right now they're in the way of me meeting a deadline. Recall how Microsquish had a "Classic" setting to some of their OS's? Give me one of those and I'll go back to working productively.
You've skipped a lot of versions (we went from 2010 to 2015 in one jump) there, I'm sure that there were many changes to the interface and perhaps even the feature creation itself. Sometimes things just don't work the exactly the same as they used to, good or bad.
We have pretty much concluded and make it a habit with our company and the clients that we work for to NEVER upgrade a major release of SW in the middle of a project. If you do, you are asking for trouble... I know a lot of you working for a corp. cannot afford to do this because your products/s have a ongoing lifecycle, but if they do, consider, keeping versions of SW specific to the project.
My 2 cents.
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Mark Biasotti wrote: We have pretty much concluded and make it a habit with our company and the clients that we work for to NEVER upgrade a major release of SW in the middle of a project. If you do, you are asking for trouble... I know a lot of you working for a corp. cannot afford to do this because your products/s have a ongoing lifecycle, but if they do, consider, keeping versions of SW specific to the project.
Mark Biasotti wrote:
I've never had that sort of problem - and we use PDM. I am the one who decides when/if our organization upgrades. We are always amidst major projects - so there is no waiting when it's go time... blah blah blah, Check-in all of your files for PDM (as a user shouldn't have a bulk of them checked out for no reason at all), keep files clean and organized, and there shouldn't be any issues.
What happened? I saw your explanation and now it's gone...
Oh, there it is again. Never mind
I still have it in my box and guess same to you (unless you deleted it)
As did I, and I was wondering why, when I hit "post" it wouldn't work. So I copied and pasted it below.
OK, cool. Thank you for the clarification.
Is there not a "Do not show again" check on that dialog box? (I know, I know....a silly thing the ask, but I have to!)
I note: "Checked boxes will be shown again". None of those boxes are checked, yet they still appear.
So now what about the "Save-As" dialog that opens between the 'normal', actually does something useful dialog box and clicking "save-as"? It forces a click that does nothing that isn't available in the next dialog box.
And while we're at it, restore the file history listing under "File"?
T. S. wrote: And while we're at it, restore the file history listing under "File"?
T. S. wrote:
You can get that by hitting the "R" key. Additionally, it is here as well:
Did "Open Recent" go away with SW2018?
Due to said need-it-now project I missed the presentation that might have shown me that. Really, is it too hard to just leave things where they are? A huge lot of changes I see in all software just seems to exist to keep the coders employed, and for no other good reason.
The "R" button result has been distasteful since it appeared. Not sure how you got a list rather than the icons that I get, but I'm not likely to bother changing it. You'd think that having started this type of insanity in AutoCAD R11 that I'd be all about keyboard shortcuts, but nothing could be further from the truth.
T. S.,.. I can't argue this at all, .. it seems, the only thing left for SW Corp and the VAR's is to TRAIN everyone with how to navigate thru a updated GUI?
(oh btw,.. the space odyssey meme's are my way to keep it lite for Friday... cheers!)
UX for software hit a peak around 2005-6, under Windows XP and dot net. Everything just frigging worked, crashes were rare and getting rarer, practically all software looked exactly the same and most anyone with a triple-digit IQ could sit down and start working in most any software.
Since then it has gone in the crapper. Slowly, at first, with ribbons, then faster and faster with bloated features that nobody uses, and constantly fighting the software like a wild horse to try to get it to go the direction you want to go, while it angles to go where it's creator wants you to go.
12 years later, we are at a nadir. UI/UX for most software has been standardized for mobile devices, which makes the experience on a desktop an nightmare you can't wake up from where everything is hidden behind an icon so cryptic that Castlevania II looks at it and goes, "Damn, how did they think I was going to find that?". So now I need a subscription to Nintendo Power to figure out how to change my new tab settings in Chrome.
Solidworks was a holdout for most of this time, because the UI does not have to work on Mobile. But it's hard to fight strong current. There wasn't much the UI could do much better a decade ago, but the UI team has to keep changing it to justify their existance. So they take something that was 95% correct 10 years ago and change 20% of it, and now it's worse. That's just math.
So we get more popups, more nested menus, more behavior we didn't ask for and don't need as the software incorrectly predicts what we are doing.
What was I talking about?
Oh yeah. I hate Chrome.
Be careful Mike.. we will soon see stats on how much faster the new gui is.
Anyhow/way... I agree!.. I go back to a older versions because... THEY ARE-WERE FASTER!
SW is still a top notch UI--especially compared to Pro/E, NX or anything made in the mobile era.
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