Is it possible to switch off or change behavior of new midpoint selection feature of SW2016?
It`s very inconvenient for me when you want to select line but select midpoint instead.
Please see the post by Jim Wilkinson here: Update on UI changes for SOLIDWORKS 2016 SP04 and SOLIDWORKS 2017
In particular: "Midpoint selection has been modified to alleviate the problem of midpoints being selected instead of an intended edge or sketch entity. Midpoints now have a “wake up” delay before the midpoint is shown. If you intend to select a midpoint, simply pause the mouse over an edge or line for the midpoint to “wake up” and then select the midpoint."
Available now in SOLIDWORKS 2017 Beta builds, and will be available in SOLIDWORKS 2016 SP04.
Been using SolidWorks since 98plus. This is VERY irritating! If someone needs to select the mid-point. All you had to do was right click the line and the pop-up window had a "select mid-point" option. It was not too hard to do.
Now I find as I rapidly go through my modeling, I am selecting the mid-point about 20-30% of the time.
I actually enjoyed the "Dynamic highlight from graphics view" mode to be on. Now I can't enjoy "Model faces, edges, and vertices to be highlighted when you move the pointer over a sketch, model, or drawing."
SP 4.0 is out if you want to install and check.
Jim I can get the midpoint wake up for sketches but not for part edges in both part and assembly. Can you post a video shoing how this would work?
You need to be in a sketch for the wake-up to work (as it was in previous SP's of 2016).
From the 2016 What's New:
Selecting midpoints with dynamic highlighting is only available for lines, arcs, and model edges in sketch mode.
I gave it a try in SP4 just a few minutes ago and it seems to be working. Let me know if you continue to have trouble.
Hi Kevin, I can easily do what you've shown in the video. And I'm getting a similar behavior when trying to wake up the mid point in model (even when not in sketch mode) but instead of selecting the mid point, it selects the edge.
I'll try to post a video showing the behavior.
Here's an idea for the development team:
Add one more option to this Selection filter toolkit.
The new option would activate IGNORING a different subset of entity types;
ie in addition to (and simultaneously with) "Filter IN", a "Filter OUT" option
I looked at SPR 920413 for SP4 and it was not listed.
The request in SPR 920413 is to have an option turn the functionality off which we have not implemented. Instead, we changed them to have a "wake up" behavior which you can see that Tom Spine and I described earlier in this thread. Since we implemented that, we haven't had any complaints about the midpoint selection. So, if you have not already, please try SOLIDWORKS 2016 SP04 and see if it alleviates the issue. If you are still having issues, please post back and describe the issue.
That does work, but turning off dynamic highlighting is not useful either...
It may be working - that is the problem. I don't want it to work. I don't want something snapping or establishing a relationship without my explicit intent and instruction. And I don't want to have to be distracted by how soon I have to click before something undesirable happens.
But thanks for your response.
To suppose/suggest/infer/consider that there is something wrong with my request because I am the only one that has mentioned it (no one else has complained?) is somewhat personally invalidating. I consider such an inference a counter-productive approach to handling customer support or user-interface issues. I am a valid user and human being; and the behavior of jumping to a midpoint without user intent is annoying and distracting to me - even more so after hearing that it is just not so important since hordes of the user community have not logged in and searched this database clamoring for it.
One of the guys initially promoting/suggesting this feature even said he was sorry:
Matt Peneguy: https://forum.solidworks.com/thread/114558
As I said, it was not listed in the fixes for 2017 SP04. I just finished unploading SP03. One of the threads on this issue has over 9000 views. Someone else must be interested. As for me, I am disappointed.
Thank you for your reply.
I am sorry that we have a misunderstanding here. I am not suggesting there is anything wrong with your request; I'm trying to understand it within the full context.
So, I was first explained the fact that SPR 920413 is not listed as fixed because in SOLIDWORKS 2016 SP04 we put in the "wake up" behavior to solve what users were complaining about with the midpoint selection. The wake up behavior is consistent with what has been in sketch mode for creating sketch entities while referencing midpoints of sketch entities/edges for many years/releases and with that, we didn't have any requests to turn off midpoint selection. So, we implemented the same for midpoint selection while NOT creating sketch entities (in sketch mode while doing normal selection and also during dimensioning). The hope is that we end up with the best of both worlds; users can easily select everything without having to go turn options on and off. Since implementing the wake up behavior in 2016 SP04, we haven't had any additional posts or complaints about midpoint selection and no additional votes for SPR 920413.
So, first, I just wanted to make sure you knew about the change in 2016 SP04 and if so, I wanted to know if this solved your problem or not.
Now I have searched your other posts in the forum and can see the full context because of this thread:
Midpoint selection 2016, is there a way to shut this off from automatically coming on?
You can see that thread, like this one, was dormant since we implemented the change in SOLIDWORKS 2016 SP04, until your recent post. From that thread, I see that you are using SOLIDWORKS 2017 SP03 and still having issues so I will jump over to that thread (since it has other people responding) to carry on the conversation.
Thank you. I think for the most part, people dutifully plod along with what they have, hoping that someone else will pick up the ball in their defense. I am not usually one to lead the charge for reform either. I think I just must have been the particular one to speak up this time.
I have not been on this forum much. I have good support from my VAR. I have been a user for probably 10 years. In fact I had SolidWorks installed in the organization where I worked, which was/is the largest employer in my State - and that to the disapproval of the IT department who got their perks from AutoCAD. I am not a big shot, but I have been in a positon to try to make the world a better place technologically. I have been annoyed with the midpoint behavior since I guess 2016, whenever it was implemented. I have many questions about SolidWorks and I want to get better. You know, I even taught SolidWorks at a local Vo-tech, and had many students pass the CSWA, myself included. So anyway, I am not just a one-time user, and I think others would benefit by not being required to interact unnecessarily with a midpoint condition inadvertently. We can switch to the other thread. I see someone else concur to hope for an improvement.
thanks again, particularly for not railing against me in my agitation - which agitation is rare for me, btw....
For me, this is by far the most aggravating feature in Solidworks.
The "wake up delay" is so short, it is useless.
I totally agree. Furthermore, it is too easy to select. There should be a way to adjust the selection sensitivity by percentage of the length of the line, or something.
I'd prefer to turn it off completely and be able to either RT-click on the line and select midpoint (like before 2016), or hold down a modifier key to select - maybe add three options in the system settings so everyone can be happy:
I would be happy if the dev team did not waste time on this option. Would make the software more heavy and fragile with this and thus is a waste in my eyes.
Option to choose on or off would be welcome in my eyes, must be reasonably simple to implement I guess. I would choose off.
I totally disagree, Ronald van Til . It wouldn't make the software more heavy. It's the small things like this that make the biggest impact in usability. I had a lot of users complain to me about the current behavior when it was introduced, and I run into this problem myself all the time.
The options would default to the today's behavior, but allow those of us who cared, the ability to change it if we desired.
Yeah, but on or off would be enough I guess. I have put myself over it and live with the erratic selection of lines; I have to. I wonder sometimes where these ideas for 'enhancements' come from. I realise I am only using SW for mechanical designs and there are lots of other uses for the software I could not dream of where some functions could be useful for, but still.
This fix served no purpose. It is still very difficult to select small line segments without getting the midpoint instead.
Still frustrated by Midpoint Snap - distracted to no end. If I am not super-quick, I have to measure and dimension to midpoints?
And can they make it more difficult to find the SPR listing for this?
How do you find SPR 920413?
How do I vote on an SPR in the Knowledge Base?
Jerry Myer wrote: Still frustrated by Midpoint Snap - distracted to no end. If I am not super-quick, I have to measure and dimension to midpoints? And can they make it more difficult to find the SPR listing for this? How do you find SPR 920413?
Jerry Myer wrote:
Hi Jerry Myer,
I just checked out this SPR. It was implemented in 2017 SP05
Unfortunately it doesn't tell us how to individually toggle midpoint select and I haven't been able to find it yet in the options.
Well, guess what? Tony Tieuli
My VAR helped me search the Knowledge Base, etc, and we submitted a new Enhancement Request:
"ability to completely disable dynamic highlight for MidPoints"
As of today, this is the only current enhancement request to disable the midpoint snap hover dynamic display, etc.
For those of us that are not so familiar with the process of enhancement requests...
I submitted the request by going to SolidWorks.com --> Knowledge Base
The reply that I received from firstname.lastname@example.org:
"Enhancement requests are carefully reviewed by members of our Product Definition team. Once it is reviewed by Product Definition, the status of the Enhancement Request will be set to “Closed” indicating that the Enhancement Request has been reviewed and the appropriate action has been taken by Product Definition. Unless the enhancement request has been addressed in a shipping version of the product, your request will be associated with a Software Performance Report (or SPR). Associating your enhancement request with an SPR allows other users to find and vote for your request through the enhancement request search. Also, SPR’s are evaluated by our development team for inclusion in a future release by taking into account such factors as the number of customer votes and the customer value of the enhancement. You can check on the status of this Enhancement Request as well as the status of any SPR’s associated to this Enhancement Request by clicking on the “My ERs (Enhancement Requests)” link in your SolidWorks Customer Portal account."
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