16 Replies Latest reply on Aug 2, 2013 11:04 AM by Jared Conway

Active control of thermoelectric cooler?

Michael Bush Jul 30, 2013 3:21 PM

Hi-

I'm trying to model a system where the power draw of the TEC is driven by a PID loop, such that the chip temperature is held constant. Seems as though a goal dependent dependency would be just the thing-- the help files discuss using such a beast, but it's not clear whether this functionality is available for the TEC element in flow simulation.

I've tried inputting an equation based on a SurfaceGoal, but it gets spit out as being "wrong number format"-- the syntax I tried is "=0.5+1.5 * (SG_1 - 293 )^2 / 40^2" , where SG_1 is a surface goal that shows up in the project tree.

Am I just messing up the syntax, or am I attempting the impossible?

Thanks,

Michael

Re: Active control of thermoelectric cooler?

Chris Michalski Jul 30, 2013 3:39 PM (in response to Michael Bush)

Did you type in SG_1 or click on that goal from the tree?
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  Michael Bush Jul 30, 2013 3:42 PM (in response to Chris Michalski)
  
  typed it. Just now tried clicking on it; no luck-- the color of the bar at the top of the window pulses, but nothing shows up in the window
  
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    Chris Michalski Jul 30, 2013 3:46 PM (in response to Michael Bush)
    
    And that goal only contains a single temperature, no other values?
    
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      Michael Bush Jul 30, 2013 3:50 PM (in response to Chris Michalski)
      
      correct-- see attached screen capture
      
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        Michael Bush Jul 30, 2013 5:17 PM (in response to Michael Bush)
        
        sadly, there's an open enhancement request (SPR 618617) that asks for this functionality-- maybe not any time soon
        
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        Jared Conway Jul 30, 2013 6:06 PM (in response to Michael Bush)
        
        michael, can you post the dialog where you're trying to type the equation? did you click depencncy to get into it?
        
        i find if equations aren't working for me i try something simple like multipling the temp by 4. if it works, then i know it is a syntax problem vs a functionality issue.
        
        what do you want to learn from the overall analysis? maybe there is another way to do it.
        
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        Michael Bush Jul 31, 2013 9:04 AM (in response to Jared Conway)
        
        Screen capture below.... I've tried it with and without quotes around SG_1
        I'm attempting to model overall system thermal properties-- the waste heat from the TEC is a significant contributor, and is relatively sensitive to the temperature of the laser diode... I can do the analysis iteratively (set a TEC current, run the analysis to see where the diode ends up, adjust the current slightly, run again until the diode temp converges on what I want....), but it's time consuming....
        
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        Chris Michalski Jul 31, 2013 9:08 AM (in response to Michael Bush)
        
        I haven't worked with the TECs so bear with me - do you input the current to control them? it shows 1.1A in the box. If so then the problem is likely that you are using a temperature (Deg C) in the equation and the units don't match.
        
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        Jared Conway Jul 31, 2013 11:52 AM (in response to Michael Bush)
        
        if you have the ability to choose dependency, it should work.
        
        for creating your equation, just click on the goal in the feature tree to add it to your equation. that should add it with the right syntax.
        
        if you try a simple equation, does it work? what version/service pack are you using?
        
        Chris: Good call on units. However I THINK that solidworks considers goals without units. They are just numbers. I think.
        
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        Michael Bush Jul 31, 2013 12:01 PM (in response to Jared Conway)
        
        see above.... clicking on the goal does nothing other than pulse the color of the window
        A simple equation works, but of course isn't useful....
        
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        Jared Conway Jul 31, 2013 4:28 PM (in response to Michael Bush)
        
        version/service pack? any chance you can share the model? jared@hawkridgesys.com
        
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        Michael Bush Jul 31, 2013 4:42 PM (in response to Jared Conway)
        
        2012x64, SP4 Sorry, can't post the model
        
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        Jared Conway Jul 31, 2013 4:44 PM (in response to Michael Bush)
        
        coiuld you build a simplified model that show the same behavior? i'll check to see if 2013 sp4.0 helps at all or if there is anything in 2012 that you can do differently. based on what you're showing, it should work
        
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        Jared Conway Aug 1, 2013 8:48 PM (in response to Jared Conway)
        
        checked your model, looks like a limitation, if you go to the surface heat gen and click on the fx, you can see that you can select the goal and then click "goal" to plug it into the equation. so it seems for thermo electric coolers, it can only be a constant.
        
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        Michael Bush Aug 2, 2013 10:05 AM (in response to Jared Conway)
        
        Bummer-- that's a pretty big limitation; I don't know of a TEC in existence that operates open loop; makes for a simulation that can't be trusted. Time to lobby for another seat of Ansys.
        
        Thanks anyway
        
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        Jared Conway Aug 2, 2013 11:04 AM (in response to Michael Bush)
        
        does CFX have a smart part for TECs? i wonder how they implement transience.
        
        probably what i'd do is double check with your reseller about that limitation. they can connect with solidworks and the flow simulation development team to get the "final answer" on this. also, they may have a workaround for it. and better yet, they should be able to help you escalate the enhancement to get into a version of solidworks earlier.
        
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