We are currently using the ATI FireGL V7200 128mb cards, But are looking to upgrade to the The ATI FirePro V5800 1GB cards. Will we notice a boost in performance using SWX?
Any advice MUCHLY appreciated
Charles, Have you looked at my site recently? It is up to date with results. Yes, the benchmarks are also not good for video cards. Cheers, Anna
Dan, SW is CPU bound. A big video card with a old, slow CPU will do nothing for your rebuild speed. Spend your money on high ghz, modern architecture cpu's. Cheers, Anna
Please let us know when someone posts an i7 2600 score. I'll be interested to see how it fairs against the old i7 chips.
Agreed SW performance is tied very closely to CPU performance. However, CPU performance is dependant heavily on RAM and if RAM isn't available it goes to the pagefile no mans land on the dog slow platter hard drive.
So, this brings up the question; In your big assemblies how much RAM is SW using. If you see your constantly at >3GB it makes sense to concentrate on X64 OS and more RAM.
2.6GHz is actually a pretty fast CPU. You can watch your task manager and see if your CPU is constantly pegged at 100%. If not, again, RAM will be a big help to keep the system from accessing the pagefile.
If your interactionn with SW is horrible and moving around big asssemblies takes all the fun out of design with lots of video lag then look at your videcard. Although, as stated here, doing so may drive the need to increase your RAM and shift to the X64 OS.
It all depends on what you're working on and what aspects of your interaction need help.
Anna.. Going by my specs at the start of this thread, and knowing I'm running XP 32 bit, is it worth upgrading my GFX?
My results still aren't there. I've posted results from my Lenovo W700 laptop before and after RAM and a solidstate drive on RAID0 upgrade. I've also posted the results from the new workstations I just built.
We suffer problems such as graphics dissapearing, linear patterns not updating until you refresh several times, Icons dissapearing and going black... etc etc
To be honest, this occurs on the other machine, not mine, but both machines are the same spec.
My machine runs fine untill the assembly involves a lot of parts.
Monitor your task manager for a while. You know your potential memory limitation, and its easy to see a CPU pegged at 100%. If none of these things are occuring then its easy to see dealing with large assemblies are killing your video card. To note, a faster video card with more available RAM on board will help with interacting on large assemblies.
As for the rogue machine, its possible the video card is failing or a driver is fubar. Try reinstalling the SW approved video card driver on that machine to see if that helps. It may be best to completely uninstall the card and remove the old drivers prior to reinstalling the drivers.
Windows XP 32 bit can only access a total of 4GB of memory. That includes swap memory, video card memory, and physical RAM. If you do intensive modeling, you will easily hit this number, regardless if you have 2GB physical RAM or 4 GB physical RAM.
Here's the breakdown for my computer. I have 2 GB of RAM:
Windows boots, it automatically assigns 1 GB for my ATI FirePro v4800, which has that much memory.
It also automatically reserves something like 2 GB for the operating system (out of virtual memory, which is a collective of both physical RAM and swap space).
This leaves only 1 GB left over for SolidWorks. Note that this is less than the amount of physical RAM that I have, and is in no way tied to how much RAM I have. I could have 256MB, or 4GB, it doesn't matter. That is how much virtual memory that Windows will allocate to other applications (after reserving 2GB for itself).
So, what's your only GOOD solution? Use a 64 bit operating system. Your computer could run that right now, try WIndows 7. You could also upgrade your RAM to the maximum your motherboard could support, and get a nicer video card.
Your best bet? Just buy this: https://forum.solidworks.com/thread/40327
Thanks Charles seems like a very good answer to me.
I was told that you have to upgrade the CPU / motherboard to run a 64 bit OS?
If not then I will push for this asap
And teh graphics card and a gig more ram which will amount to 6GB with the VC. YAY !
You had given me the computer information previously. I am recommending a W3565, 3.20GHz, 8M L3, w/6GB minimum of memory for our standard users and W3680, 3.33 GHz w/8GB of ram minimum for our 3 power users. The video card that IT is recommending is the ATI 5800 and 8800 for the power users.
Standard Users: Solidworks: 200-400 parts in an assembly
Outlook open as same time along with 2 or 3 other programs
Power Users: Solidworks: 400 parts in an assembly, Cosmos, Motion and piping.
With the configuration you have, I think you will see a boost in performance
Now that you have gotten lots of good advice on the rest of your system, let me confuse matters by saying that I doubt that you will see much, if any, change with the 1GB card. It sounds like your work is somewhat like ours, with relatively small assemblies. Several years ago we experimented with cards and CPUs. One of us got a high end Dell workstation with a close to the top of the line graphics card. I got an inexpensive Dell workstation with the fastest reasonalbly priced CPU and a close to the bottom of the line graphics card. His system was a little faster to regenerate parts and very slightly quicker when rotating assemblies, not enough to notice in real work.
I suspect that people with large assemblies aren't wasting their money on high end graphics cards. People with less demanding work probably are.
A new card, not necessarily with more RAM, will probably help, just because each release of SW seems to demand more of the graphics card.
Will do..... I am very anxious to see i7 2600K results as well.
I also plan to take my benchmark files to SWW next week. Intel will be their demo'ing their new cpu's. Hopefully they will have SW2011 on their systems that I can run my benchmarks on.
No it is not worth upgrading your video card if you expect it to increase your SW speed. CPU's are what determines the speed of SW.
Get yourself a new computer with a up to date cpu if you want better SW performance.
When did you submit the results? If it was before the last time I updated my spreadsheets, submit them again. Be sure to hit the submit button at the bottom of the web form.
I will be updating the spreadsheets before I go to SWW on Friday.
What about the visual problems that I have expressed though?
We had the same issues when we went to 2009 on our FX1400's. Now we use FX3800's and all the issues are gone. I seem to remember seeing several post regarding this, but I can't find them.
Everytime I submitted the results I did get confirmation. I'm not sure if I'll have time before SWW, but will submit them again at some point.
Charles, I am discovering that my web forms got hosed after we did a software upgrade to our document management system on Jan 8th or 9th. So I am working on rebuilding the forms in Google. I updated the punch holder results submittal form last night. Will get the rest updated in the next day or to. Cheers, Anna
Unless they are complex parts, the v5800 should be more than enough for all users. Apparently FlowWorks is very taxing on the graphics cards, and may require an upgrade; but the v5800 can handle thousands of prismatic (no excessive lofts or boundary extrudes) parts easily. Those 8800s are really expensive, and not really of benefit to all but a few of the most extreme SolidWorks users.
Save the money on the video cards, and spend more on RAM?
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